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Of course, members of the public can watch online to see how we deliberate.
I would remind everybody only to speak on my direction and to speak clearly in the direction of the microphones.
You don't have to lean over it because they're specially designed to pick up sound as you can hear.
So, all the contributions to be recorded.
When you've concluded speaking, please turn your microphone off because if it remains on, it affects the sound.
and the members of the public will just see people looking backwards and forwards with their mouths opening wide.
I shall now invite the format, I shall now invite members to introduce themselves, starting with my colleague.
Simi Asbin, Democratic Services.
Jonathan Melnick, Legal Advisor.
I
Reach Canon counsellor Richard Canon from Ireland
Counsellor Martin Parker from by Wes
We have no formal apologies to record I
Must ask the men to members have any decorations of disclosed
Disclosable pecuniary interest I have none
I'm assuming we have noticed pecuniary interest
Can everybody note the rules of procedure which are on pages 9 to 18 of our?
Bumble here. I
Like to conduct these meeting as collegiate of fashion as possible
but at the same time we're neither in the council chamber at a formal meeting or the House of Commons, so
It doesn't help if we have opposing sides people scoring off it trying to score off each other
It doesn't work if anybody wishes to say anything
Wave their hand catch my attention and I will call them at the next available point
I'm now going to move formally onto the agenda
Which is item 3 .1 which is an application for a new premises licence for units 1 & 2
At the new festival quarter Upper North Street e14 6f I which are included on pages
19 to 68 on our bundle when people are speaking could you please refer to the relevant page?
As we don't want members the decision makers flicking through page after page after page
What was yes, ma 'am introduced those in attendance?
Thank you chair for this application we have mr. Robert, but, kai who's the legal representative and jon, sir guy
Who's the licencing manager for?
The objective is not present at the meeting.
So therefore the application, once the application has been presented, the applicant will be
invited to speak and will be given a total of five minutes to make their representation.
Once that's done, the members will ask questions and points of clarification.
Please note that the subcommittee have read the agenda pack in advance.
Thank you, Chair.
For the record, the objective is not present, but all members have the bundle with their
objection in when we come to deliberation we will consider everything the objector has
said because we have all had this well in advance of the meeting and it is our job to
read everything. I now invite Cathy Driver our licencing officer to introduce the report.
Cathy the floor is yours. Thank you chair. The application is for Sainsbury's at Unit
one and two new festival quarter. The application is for off sales of alcohol and the matter
is for consideration as representations have been made by a resident. The application is
for the sale of alcohol off sales only from 7 until 11pm with the opening hours being
Monday to Sunday 24 hours a day. A copy of the application is at page 25 in Appendix
Note for members, there is an existing licence for the premises, but it's held by a different
holder. Those hours are Monday to Sunday from 8 till 10pm, with the opening hours from 6
to 11. A copy of that licence is there for members' information and can be found at
page 59 of the report. The application has received an objection from a local resident.
and the details are at page 52. Photos and the site plan, including the maps of the area,
are on pages 44 to 49. Those premises that are licenced in the vicinity are detailed
at page 50. Conditions have been agreed with the police and those are detailed on page
256 of the report chair that really concludes my my presentation
Thank you very much
Thank you very much Kathy and colleagues. Do you have any members and any questions to put to the licencing officer?
Kathy we have no questions to put to you
So we now move on to the applicant applicant to present their case and
Do you have in our process and under our standing orders five minutes and I'd like to invite mr
Bokai to put the case on behalf of the applicant. Mr. Bokai. The floor is yours
Good evening. My name is Robert Bokai from Winkle Sherwood
Representing Sainsbury's with me is Joanne Sergei
from Sainsbury's
Joanna is the licencing manager for Sainsbury's nationwide and including
Northern Ireland
She's also a member of the retail of alcohol standards group and recently a board member
of the community alcohol partnership.
So you may have questions that you wish to ask of Joanne about how Sainsbury's stores
approach the sale of alcohol.
I'm just very happy to answer any such questions.
I hope not to take up my full five minute allocation.
There is already a convenience store on this location at Unit 2.
We are taking Units 1 and 2, so we're pushing back.
So the frontage to the main street won't get bigger,
but we're pushing further back, having done a deal with the landlord.
The existing licence is slightly shorter, but we are proposing to open 711,
as you would expect with most Sainsbury's stores, you've got other Sainsbury's in your area,
so normally 7 -11 and your policy does allow generally stores to match their trading hours
and alcohol hours unless there are good reasons to restrict those hours. Now those good reasons
would normally be evidence backed, it's always very difficult when somebody who objects to
an application doesn't attend the hearing, because we would have been able to hear a
little bit more. So we've got one, we've got no representations from any of the responsible
authorities, they're all satisfied with the application. We've got a single person, we
don't know actually whether this person is a resident or business owner. We don't know
where he or she lives set out a range of reasons
for their objection, which I'll be a little bit careful
how I express this, but if you put into an AI tool,
I wish to oppose the same as licence application,
this is pretty much what you get because we've tried it.
So the first, under the headings,
the licencing objective headings,
got a prevention of crime and disorder, concerned about anti -social behaviour, drug use, where
the police are your experts on crime and disorder, they're not objecting to this application.
Concerns about noise generated by customers, footfall, car door slamming, there is already
a convenience store there, we're just a different convenience store, we're going to be Sainsbury's.
concerned about alcohol sales until 11pm daily that may disturb nearby residents.
Again, we will be open until 11 o 'clock and we are asking to match those hours.
Contrary to popular perception, we're not necessarily that busy between 10pm and 11pm.
It's not our busiest time of day, but we do wish to be able to open at 7 .11 hours.
Under public safety, concerned about more litter, including bottles and cans, there's no evidence to suggest that there were any more litter from the Sainsbury's than there would be from the existing store.
And concerns that groups will gather to drink and smoke, making residents feel unsafe.
Again, we are well, we have an appropriate number of store colleagues at any one time.
We look after the frontage of the shop as well and we have national standards that we
expect from store colleagues.
And then a concern that many families with children live with in the area, we operate
in many similar residential areas so we are accustomed to that and we've done so without
any licence reviews or issues.
So this individual is asking that you significantly reduce the hours for alcohol sales or refuse the application.
Interestingly he also asks for mandatory CCTV and security measures.
Well, CCTV is already part of the application so we have CCTV throughout all of our stores.
And then we risk assess for other security measures.
Our store colleagues now have access to body -worn cameras, which has been a really good tool.
You'll be aware from publicity that our store colleagues do suffer from abuse themselves
and we have a duty to protect them and the cameras are proving to be very helpful.
We've had correspondence with the police.
You have one minute remaining.
One minute. I'm going to get there.
PC Mark Parkinson and you'll see from the papers that we've agreed some additional conditions
there on training, refusal logs and incident reporting.
So on that basis the police are satisfied, they are your experts on crime and disorder,
none of the other responsible authorities have any concerns about this application and
the only reason we're here today is because we've got the one public representation.
That's really it. We're very happy to answer any questions that you may have of us. Thank you
This point I have no questions colleagues you have any questions yet
Thank you chair and will you be operating challenge 25
Yes, we operate challenge 25 in all of our stores. So yes that will apply here as well
Any further questions any questions?
I
Think it's very extensively put in the bundle we have before us of all the information and you've elucidated it
Licencing officer has explained the licencing. We've got the hours of nearby premises
I don't think there is anything I need further to answer. We've got no further question.
Have you anything more to say?
Only that if you, well I would normally say if you are minded to change any of the conditions
or impose other conditions I'd be grateful for the opportunity to readdress you.
But I don't think you're going to be making your decision this evening.
But I would ask that you grant the licence in accordance with the conditions that have
been submitted and the police conditions for the hours sought. Thank you.
For the purpose of the record, within our bundle we've got quite extensive conditions
which have been considered by the responsible authorities. There are no objections to them
so they will be on our working plan. The subcommittee will deliberate in a private session after
this meeting ends and democratic services will send the decision to you within five
working days. The decision will explain whether, whatever we say, whether the decision was
unanimous by majority. So you will get that. I think that's all we need to know on this
application. We will then move on. Thank you for your attendance.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Can we have the changeover?
Thank you.
We now move to item 3 .2 on our agenda, which is an application for a new premises licence
for 90 Whitechapel High Street, E1 7RA. It is covered in our bundle between pages 69
and 138. Could I ask Ms. Jesmyn to announce those in
Please thank you chair and for this application we have from the applicants. We have via Chadha
We have Ramon Islam and case manic who's present at the meeting in terms of objectives
We have corn on Holland representing the licencing authority and mr
Larry representing the environmental health after the application has been presented
The applicants will be invited to speak and you'll have a total of five minutes to make your representation
The objectors will also receive five minutes each to make their
Representation I'll let each speaker know we have one minute remaining. Please note that the subcommittee have read the agenda pack in advance. Thank you
May I now invite Kathy driver to introduce the report
Thank you chair
The application is for chicken cottage at 90 Whitechapel High Street
The application seeks the licence for late night refreshment for indoors takeaway and delivery
The application also applied for recorded music, however the application indicates that this music will just be background only,
which the applicant may consider withdrawing this element as background music isn't regulated.
The hours applied for late night refreshment are from Monday to Wednesday until 2am, Thursday
to Saturday until 3am and Sunday to 1am. There has been some correspondence between the applicant
and objectors and the hours subsequently offered as part of that negotiation, if you have a
I have suggested a reduction to midnight Monday to Wednesday and Thursday to Saturday 2am.
It does say Sunday 2am but obviously they are only applied in the application until one on a Sunday.
So there might be some clarity in terms of the applicant as to whether they wish to be clear on the hours
that they are actually applying as part of your presentation so that members are clear.
A copy of the application is at page 75. Photos including the site plan and the map can be
found at pages 95 to 101. Note the premises falls within our community of impact area.
The licenced premises in the vicinity are at page 102. The matter has been brought to
you as representations have been made by the licencing authority of environmental health
and a local resident.
The licencing authorities objection at page 105, environmental health at 111 and the resident at 116.
There's been communication between the applicant and objectors but no agreement has been made.
The conditions have also been agreed with the police and that's at page 135.
I will draw mentioned members' attention to condition 11 of the police conditions.
It's somewhat ambiguous as to the agreements on that, so members may wish to consider that.
In terms of any communication between the applicant and the objectors, there's been
no agreement, but there has been offer of a no seating after 10 o 'clock. Again, there
needs to be clarified on that but there has been an offer again of that to operate as
a stand up dining and take away service only to minimise the time period for customers
being present. That really concludes my presentation chair unless you've got any questions.
I have one real question really. Could you just confirm that the hours applied for go
Beyond the framework house and see I said yes, they do be asking a similar question to others. Thank you
Do um do two colleagues have any questions for mr. Iver
Thank you very much. We will go further on
I'd now invite the applicant to make their representation
If I have five minutes and you may, if you wish, share it between you or just do it on whoever is speaking on your own.
May I ask one thing, that when you speak you press the button in front of you which will go red
and then when you conclude speaking you turn it off because you weren't here for the beginning
and this meeting is being recorded and shown by webcam
And if you have two of them on nobody hears anything all they see are Peter all they see were heads with their mouths opening and
Shutting so and we will then end up by saying please you'll see the constant conversation. Please switch it off. So I
do
Invite you to do that
Whoever is speaking on your behalf the floor is yours. Oh, mr. Mr. Bell name just very quickly chess
Thank you
Just to make it easier for me if I could just cheque who is who?
because I'll be scribbling notes. I'm assuming in the middle it's Miss Chatter, is that right?
And then I've got Rimon Islam.
Thank you.
Thank you, and that will be Mr Manic on the other side. Thanks very much.
I should have said that earlier on, but I was going to ask who is who, but I'll pop you down.
Rimon will be speaking.
But we now know that Ria Chatter is going to speak on behalf of the applicants.
As I say, the floor is yours, you've got five minutes. Thank you.
Okay.
Good evening everyone. My name is Ramon Islam. I'm the head of operations for Chicken Cottage UK
Beside me is Reha Chadha
She's our franchise partner and ultimately owner of that shop and works alongside us at our partner and Kay's manic is our franchise business panic
Manager for the store who looks after the store on behalf of us Chicken Cottage limited
Okay, so before I talk about specific we are Chicken Cottage limited. We have over 70 stores across the UK
On and off for the last six years I've been working for them even during COVID
and before COVID and I've attended quite a few licencing hearings and obviously
you know a lot has changed over the last six years predominantly at the QSR
sector deliveries have increased and now a lot of whereas back in six years ago
maybe ten percent five percent of your business was delivery platforms like
Uber Eats, Deliveroo and Trustee it's now in some stores fifty percent of your
and a lot of that business comes from late night trading which is primarily
the reason why we have suggested and speaking to delivery partners like
Uber Eats and Deliveroo and Just Eat they've suggested that we open later
especially Deliveroo because it's a very delivery type area and they've
suggested that we open till 1, 2 o 'clock especially on Fridays and Saturdays and
even on weekdays so primarily this is for us as the franchisor we always look
the best interest for our franchise partners to ensure that they can maximise their sales and
Obviously we listen to any concerns that the council may have
So that's us in a nutshell. I will just give you an individual regarding the store itself
so thank you for your
Email regarding the premises licence for chicken cottage 90 Whitechapel High Street
We respectfully respond to the concerns race and would like to provide clarification
regarding the operation of the premises and the measures that will be implemented to promote the licencing objective of preventing public nuisance.
Firstly we would like to emphasise that this premises were previously operated by Reha and her family as a Burger King for over 20 years and has historically functioned as a fast food take away location at that same location.
The proposed operation as a chicken cottage will remain consistent with this established use and therefore does not introduce a new or materially different type of activity on the premises.
During the last 20 years they have operated the site and maintained a responsible and well managed business and developed a strong understanding of the local area and community.
They intend to fully intend to continue operating the same high standards of management supervision and community engagement.
So as Chicken Koch we would like to respectfully highlight a number of neighbouring creme premises within the vicinity that operate beyond the council framework hours on certain days.
for example, the nearby public house, White Hart, operates until 1pm on Fridays and Saturdays.
And a restaurant FS operates from 10am till 2am, seven days a week.
This demonstrates the late night activities already established feature in the immediate locality
and that the hours being requested are consistent with the character and operation of surrounding premises.
There is also Four Doors Away, a KFC, on similar late night hours as well.
We fully acknowledge the council's concerns regarding residential accommodation located
above the premises and take these considerations very seriously.
Having operated at this location for over 20 years with their own offices situated directly
above the premises, they are particularly mindful of the importance of ensuring that
the operation of business does not cause disturbance to local residents.
And as such, they are committed to implementing appropriate operational controls and management
Measures to ensure that the premises operate in a responsible manner and that any potential for public nuisance is minimised
Furthermore they believe that premises
To operate later in the evening may in fact contributed positively to the local environment
Maintaining an active staffed and well -managed premises during later hours can help discourage
Antisocial behaviour promote prevent the area from being quiet and unmonitored late at night
Just for the record all our staff we've lived within two miles of the store. So we hire only local
people from the local community
One minute or in our experience responsible late -night businesses can contribute to a safer and more secure environment for local residents
So just a late -night operation for which we've asked for is after 10 p .m
and stand up dining and takeaway service.
And obviously we have over 20 years experience.
We understand that the majority of orders I expect to be
through third party delivery of orders,
including Ilgerud's and Deliveroo.
We expect walking customers to be limited,
but we will ensure that they behave
and we will refuse anyone who's intoxicated
or and we've provided full training for our staff.
To prevent crowding internal digestion, we have said that there will be no seating after
10 and we are looking, we have got comprehensive CCTV and also we are looking at deploying
security after 10 o 'clock on Thursday, Fridays and Saturdays so door supervisors can actively
manage any potential queues.
Again I've said noise management, we've mentioned the music, if we feel that the music is an issue we will switch off the music at certain times.
As we said we only have background music in our stores and with waste management we'll be monitoring, we'll have a scheme in place where every hour we go outside and cheque any waste outside and we will have a checklist for this.
I'd just like to add our building is redundant from the kitchen back to where we have obviously
residents. So this business only works front house, so no waste, nothing on the back where
the residents live will be used. Thank you for your time.
Thank you.
We now move to the objectors who have five minutes each.
We begin with the licencing officer before we have environmental health.
So if I'd like to invite Corinne Holland to speak first.
It's Mr. O 'Leary who's going to speak first.
Thank you, Chair.
This is an application for Chicken Cottage, 90 Watchapoo, High Street, E1 7 -R8, previously
Burger King. Located within the Brick Lane Commutative Zone, my representation relates
to the prevention of public news and licence objectives. We reviewed the application, we
We are not satisfied that the operating schedule provides sufficient detail to demonstrate
how public nuisance will be prevented, particularly given the premises location, again which is
within our CIS area, and the presence of residential flats directly above the premises.
We won't go into the council framework harvest, but the applicants sought recorded music between
Monday to Tuesday to 2 a .m.
Thursday to Saturday, 11 p .m. to 3 a .m.
and Sunday to 1 a .m.
Late night refreshment, same hours again,
but that was a revised application for a revised hours
that he made, or the applicant made.
And also having reviewed that application again,
we believe it's above framework hours,
so we know we objected to that as well.
Our concerns are noise breakout from recorded music,
customer noise when entering and leaving,
loitering and congregational site,
noise associated with staff operations,
delivery drivers arriving, idling, collecting orders,
and departing, vehicle movements and honking,
giving the likely reliance on online takeaways,
take -away operations, frequent vehicle activity
during late night hours is expected.
This is likely to result in disturbance to residents
and exacerbate existing issues within the CIS area,
including antisocial behaviour and litter.
The operating schedule lacks specific, robust,
and enforceable measures,
such as a detailed noise management plan,
dispersive policy, or controls for delivery drivers.
Our conclusion, the applicant has not demonstrated how the prevention of public users' objectives
will be promoted, particularly in relation to raises above premises.
The premises is within CIZ impact zone, where there is a presumption against application
that may add to cumulative impact.
The proposal has gone well beyond the Council's framework hours.
For this reason, chair, I respectfully request for the committee to refuse this application.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
We've now got Corinne Holland, would like to make your objection.
Thank you.
Thank you, chair.
As stated, these hours appear to have been reduced from the original application, although
slightly confusing on a page 124 says the revised hours were applied for on
Monday to Sunday 11 till 2 a .m. but then expected opening and closing times are
then less so then Monday to Wednesday midnight Thursday to Sunday 2 a .m. so
obviously the hours need confirming obviously these hours are greater than
framework hours and also the hours as Kathy stated on a Sunday are greater than what they
applied for so that wouldn't be a possibility anyway.
Premises falls within the community impact zone and it was only in 2024 that the impact
The back zone was extended to the south side of Whitechapel High Street,
as it was the opinion that the concentration of licenced premises in that area
were having a cumulative impact on crime and disorder and prevention of public nuisance.
The licencing authority recognised that there is no alcohol for sale,
However, it's a premises that could attract people that have been drinking into the premises late at night
and then that could cause a disturbance or crime and disorder.
They have stated that the premises will offer eat -in, take -out and delivery services.
So, they're saying after 10 o 'clock they'll only offer stand -up takeaways.
But I think agreed with the police is that they will be limited to 20 people.
So obviously that would have to be managed.
How that would be enforced I'm not sure but obviously that's in the police conditions.
Then also as stated the police condition regarding the SIA is not really enforceable for a sort
three month trial period. As stated it's beyond framework hours and the onus is on the applicant
to show their exceptional circumstances as to why it should be granted and that they
won't negatively impact on the licencing objectives and if they can't do this the licence should
be refused. Thank you.
Thank you very much. I'm going to start directing questions to the applicants. I think it probably
has been explained to you that we have the CIZ and therefore we invite people who wish
to go against the CIZ to demonstrate robustly why they should go against the CIZ. I'm afraid
We've come here this evening. We have a pretty strong letter from a local resident page
117 of our bundle we've got
environmental health here and our licencing officer
to
Go through the CI said I don't
Can you really?
Explain to us why we should go against the CI said bearing in mind why it was introduced and
and what it is all about. And can I point out to you as carefully as possible, it is no help saying that somebody else does something
because particularly with return to public houses, when the law, when the licencing law was changed at the turn of the century
under the first Blair government, many licencing, many of them public houses took the opportunity to apply for a 24 hour licence
which was well before the CIZ.
So can you explain to us why you should go against the CIZ
as opposed to if you worked in the framework hours,
none of us would be sitting here this evening
because it would be granted on the nod.
I would first like to say that since we have reopened as Chicken Cottage,
we have seen a reduction in antisocial behaviour.
That is also due to the fact it's brightly lit.
We understand, as we've traded there for over 20 years,
and I've grown up there,
we find that the antisocial behaviour has kind of got worse
due to the fact that it's become a dead zone.
So once our store shuts, we can actively see on CCTV that it invites and encourages anti -social issues.
Hence why we have now placed a shutter in front of our store specifically.
Because that entire area, including the alleyway, becomes a complete dead zone.
There is nothing really open except a Nisa local till 2 o 'clock and the pub, and then Effies further down the road.
So we are arguing that actually us being there with our security for the evening to help
kind of creates a safer environment for everyone and stops antisocial behaviour from thinking
it's a free place to be because that is exactly what is happening.
That area itself due to the SIZ is becoming a dead zone and it's also affecting residents
sorry, because you find people defecating, people just using that alleyway as their bedroom,
and that is actually, I would argue, where the issue is stemming from. It's a dead zone.
And tenants are tenants, I understand you've raised that above, directly above, they are
our tenants, and the first floor is an office, it's where we reside. Sorry, where we reside.
And the tenants have expressed that they actually prefer something to be open to light up the
area because people don't come in.
And also myself, I have also implemented things like removing...
We have dealt with, let's say, the individuals who are antisocial for a very long period
of time and we found that the plug sockets, etc., etc., invites people in.
we ourselves have removed such things and because of that it has reduced significantly.
They do not come and stay but where they do go are the dead zones that have been created.
So that would be my argument.
It's a very interesting way of looking at things I have to say.
It's something I have not heard before.
you make references to the fact that you do take away and it's all done by cyclists and that is environmentally friendly etc etc
I will put to you and I think we can have experience from across the borough and indeed London wide
there are more complaints and more criticisms about people who do delivery from cyclists than practically anything else
because of course you may well have cyclists standing there, but they're all standing around
sitting, standing around talking, smoking and making a noise while they wait for their
next delivery.
Can I respond? So in our restaurant we haven't actually had this issue ever. I understand
we've not really been open late but in this specific area we invite the drivers in and
that orders are out. We don't really have a backlog in that area at this moment in time.
It's not that busy in regards to delivery. Who we do really want to cater to are the
late night workers from the hotels across the road, the tourists that come into the
area and other people that we have a lot of residents in the area that are also looking
for something to eat at night. And we don't have any direct road that it's very close
to us the actual road itself is extremely loud. If you've ever been there
you'll realise half the noise is the road at night and the traffic so
drivers there is not really any noise from them and they don't exactly loiter
we have KFC if anyone was to visit there is no really it's a quick -service
restaurant no one's really waiting the orders are in and out because obviously
football is lower in the evenings, so everything is ready to go I
Should say for those that know me I'm a true East End and I've known that area for decades
I can tell you what was there remember Burger King and I mentioned mr. Melnick. What was there before Burger King?
So that's how far back I go
I reserve the right to ask questions later colleagues
And have you got any questions
That's a marching part.
Thank you, Chair.
We've been talking about Conditioning 11 with the security that's being provided.
You sort of set off having two people and then you say, oh, reducing to one.
What was the basis of two?
and if you start off with two, why would you then reduce it to one?
It doesn't seem particularly logical.
I'd like to understand a bit more about whether these later hours
is really more to just service the takeaway.
trade on the bikes, the delivery trade, and whether you would consider
not accommodating that trade in the later hours if we were to grow up.
So you would only supply to people who actually turned up,
not to people who turned up having previously ordered online.
So I believe the reason why it was agreed as two officers and then be reduced
was in agreement with obviously the police to see, I'll be honest, the footfall and the commotion in the area.
it doesn't really exist. Also it was to kind of see what we would need as maintenance.
Our staff, a lot of them, because we ran the Burger King prior, are well trained in dealing
with these things and I'm generally there most days and nights currently. So we have
a way of dealing with anything that occurs. We've never had an issue. My father has had
Burger King since it was Bloom's, I believe, the bakery. So we kind of decided to have two in the beginning
and then move it down to one to see what we actually need because there's one thing having two people there
but there is nothing happening. Does that make sense?
Yes.
I sort of would think that if you were going to do that,
that you'd start off with two and then you'd seek a review,
rather than actually writing it in as an initial condition,
it sort of seems, because it sort of says three months,
but no, in month four, then, no, something might happen.
Mr. Bell, our legal advisor.
Thank you, Chair.
It might just be easier to jump in, Councillor, and just point out.
Obviously at the moment I wouldn't necessarily get too hung up on precisely how the review will work.
Obviously what's ambiguous really is about is the part of the condition that follows
and if the application is granted in that condition, I will obviously suggest to you some more appropriate wording.
What will have to happen in any event is that condition would need to be either removed by weather variation or modified by weather variation
before it can take effect. But what really needs to happen is some consideration given
in due course about precisely how that's going to work, but what it won't do is just simply
leave it hanging which is effectively what it does at the moment.
I appreciate that's not necessarily entirely as clear cut as you would like but it is something that will be tightened up here at the
When the decision is made if necessary
You happy that Martin?
Could the app can address the other issue with regards to the
the
takeaways
They ordered online. I
I would just like to address that point. I believe in the actual, I believe actually in the writing it was to be under review with the police after three months.
I don't believe we personally decided that that would be the case. I believe that it was something to work alongside the police and to be reviewed.
It's not something we would just decide, by the way, just to add.
And in regards to home delivery, right now it's a really crucial time because the hospitality sector is struggling
and the majority of sales from that establishment are home delivery.
And we've seen that as we ran the Burger King before.
And it's really hard to operate without having that, as it's a lifeline for a lot of restaurants today.
It's almost like cutting off the majority of your income in order to pay staff, etc, to afford an officer.
I think you're straying into talking about, we're discussing your specific application, not a majority of restaurants.
We can't take anything else into consideration. I have to take your application into consideration
Can I just make one final point
Thank you as a company. We all when we look for franchise partners
We always look for the right franchise partners for the area
We we didn't parachute someone in from another part of the country or another part of London
we chose
Rehana family carefully because we thought they knew the area they knew the business well
I know East London born and bred up in Wolfram Stow Chingford
So I know East London quite well and a lot of businesses I worked in the past
One in two in Tower Hamlets, Nunn Stuff and Urban Chocolatier. I've applied for late licences and got them
And it was and Urban Chocolatier for example in Davenant Street opposite East London Moss
70 % of their business is
Deliveries and 50 % of their business is after 11 p .m
Okay, so that's why I have spoken to Rihanna family and explained how important it is.
And I know they know the area well and that's why we know the business, we know they're good operators,
which is why we chose them to be our franchise partners.
And we know whatever you guys stipulate in the licencing conditions they would adhere to.
And that's because we don't want to damage our brand.
We don't want anyone and we would not want you guys to give us a licence and after three months take it away because a stamp
Band damaging for us which is why myself and K's are here to support her in this application
Any further questions
I
Really must come back to the point. I originally made and I'm not sure we've actually got there our job
Your job was to demonstrate to the members of the committee why we should go against
stated council policy and I put to you that if you were to accept the existing framework
hours you wouldn't be sitting here this evening because there would be nothing to
object to, no council officers would object to and I doubt if the resident who's written
To us on page on the earlier page would have rejected
Would you consider?
modifying the application to the council's framework hours
To, be able to clarify
Council policy but, we will direct
I can assist these at point nine point two of the report of the detailed hours on page
72
9 .2 of the report is the framework hours
In all honesty these are the framework hours for a CI said if
If you modify this application to those it's granted.
I'm currently trying to look for it in these papers.
If we, if our business could survive without the late night trade, we would have gone for
this to begin with.
If that is the truth, the reason why we need a late night licence now is for our business
to survive because our trade for chicken cottage is in the evenings, we have people knocking
on our doors saying why are you shut in the area and otherwise this would have been something
we could have done but...
The reason the CIZ was introduced was to stop the entire area going completely over the
That was why the policy is introduced.
I mean it's 6 o 'clock to 11 .30, Friday, Saturday, 6 in the morning till midnight,
and Sunday 6 to 10 to 10 .30. I mean frankly I think we'd probably give you 11 .30 on a Sunday,
but that works in with what we are granting with everybody on the CIS.
Most people who come before us say that they will accept that.
You say you cannot accept it.
I think you have to say within our licencing policy you have to look at the town handlets licencing policy
and the licencing policy is clear, those are the hours and you have to demonstrate why you wish to break those hours
As I mentioned at the beginning, we do a lot of research with delivery partners and we
go through every hour and how busy they are.
As you get later, the restaurants decrease and I have stores that are open until four
or five in the morning and their busiest hours are between three and four, four and five
Because and that that's the money that they need to survive as a business. That's the reason
If everybody's open till 10 o 'clock 11 o 'clock, but as we move further on
Towards the middle of the night. That's when that's why we've requested this and it isn't just us just asking for hours out the air
This is through having meetings with deliver route who are very prominent in that area and Uber eats and they've said
Open longer and we've explained we need to apply for a late licence
They have got the figures from the KFC from whatever business star in Whitechapel all day east that area sure ditch
Bethnal green they've had the figures and they're saying we as soon as you close they go to that Whitechapel fried chicken
They go to KFC and they've got the figures so we know as if we open to one two o 'clock
We will make that business through
delivery partners and that's the reason why we're here.
Otherwise we would have accepted that and I would have told Rehan and family accept it.
That's the reason we wouldn't be sat here if we were just happy with that.
We really need to.
I have to say to you the policy was introduced for a purpose.
The policy was introduced for a purpose for our residents,
for people who visit the borough, for everything.
and as I say the framework hours were agreed, they went through a massive process of consultation
and were agreed by the council and everything that comes up that is new has to look within
the framework hours and possibly has to demonstrate why they should break the framework hours.
That is, has to be. Unfortunately there are sometimes premises that existed that were licenced before the framework hours were interviewed
but if the licence is handed in and they go away and it's changed, framework hours click in.
It is really no help to do so. As I said to you, if you were prepared to accept the framework hours, it's yours
But we have to consider what is before we cannot consider other
Applications I understand there are premises that might be in Whitechapel
It might be an all gate that might be insured itch that could be in Hackney
They could be down the road on the Barking Road in Newham or something
But in the area of the CI said we have a very distinct policy that was bought by
Massive pressure from our residents and we have to work within that framework
I would like to ask, by basically putting a CIS in that zone, stopping all trading at night,
I'm somebody who's been there every day, so I understand the issues that that area has.
I would argue, how would not allowing that area to be lit up, controlled to some extent with security,
to manage any antisocial behaviour benefit the residents when actually you'd find that
the residents have got, I'm sorry to say it, we have homeless people defecating outside,
we have drug addicts allowed to be able to...
We've heard this before, my point is, can you demonstrate something new why we should
go against the policy. The policy of the council which has been endorsed several times by council
and under pressure from local residents was extended southwards, not reduced, it's been
extended southwards to include the south part of Whitechapel Road, because originally it
went down the line on the north side.
Just if it helps, Chen, maybe make it a little bit clearer, the presumption with the CIZ
is that you have an area that is oversaturated with licenced premises
predominantly those serving alcohol till late at night
and those serving, providing late night refreshment late at night
because of course the other two quite often coexist side by side
and it's not about necessarily one particular premises causing a problem
that is this accumulation of so many licenced premises
in such a small area that causes all of these problems.
And the CIZ itself, it is that presumption
that any new application within the CIZ
is going to add to that impact, particularly later at night,
unless the applicant can demonstrate that they're not
going to add to that.
So the fact that, for example, the premise
is going to be lit up, well quite a lot of premises are lit up within the GIZ at night.
There are clearly still problems and that's really what you need to be trying to focus on.
I would also ask, if I may, just when you operated or your father operated Burger King,
was that licenced for late night refreshment? Or was it not, was it only operating until 11?
I believe the Whitechapel store was till 11 because we were quite busy pre -COVID.
Obviously what's happened in the area has completely changed, so the footfall has changed,
the demographic has changed, so that is why we are now applying for a later licence because we find
that that is what we need to survive.
And I understand your point exactly,
it's about numerous points.
We do not serve alcohol.
We don't play loud music, it's just in the restaurant.
We actually have managed to kind of detract
negative behaviour from the front
that we dealt with many years ago.
We look after our tenants and the residents...
We're sailing on something else. Mr Melnick?
Yes, I was just going to respond to that.
Again, the fact that you're not serving alcohol is neither here nor there,
because late night refreshment premises will quite often attract people
who have been drinking, who have been out in the night time economy.
That is precisely part of the problem,
is why, if it was otherwise, then the CISO would only focus on alcohol.
But it's not, it's specifically focused on late night refreshment and alcohol.
So even if you're not doing one, you are engaging the other.
And as I say, the onus falls on you, unfortunately, under the policy,
to show that you're not going to act, not the other way round.
As I said to you several times, if you accept the framework hours, there are no objections.
I guess we have to because there's nothing... I don't know what would be needed to prove
that we would be able to operate to put your concerns to rest. But I would say that this
isn't going to help the area?
Look, I think you have to understand there's been enormous work that's gone on to the
CIZ of how it was being prepared, how it's been consulted upon, how it's been introduced,
how it's been endorsed twice, and how under peer pressure we've had to extend the size
of it. So I think, I'm sorry, I think you have to accept it exists. If, as I've said
If you accept the framework hours
There is no objection to your application every I suspect everything will be withdrawn you may well
Perhaps at some point wish to come back and extend the framework hours
But I'm offering you the chance to make sure everything goes by accepting the framework hours
the objection
Is there any way you can?
Because you guys are the council you can be flexible and give us three months
Sorry obviously, is there any way like what we've applied for to give us three months and if it hasn't worked
Then you remove it from us because what you're telling us to do
We've got a policy and the policy is quite clear
framework hours, if you want us to overrule the framework hours you must demonstrate why
we must overrule the framework hours and as I keep saying there has been so much work
done into it with everything that has gone on with the request for people and this is
the last time I should say this, the CIZ has been consulted upon, it's been endorsed and
and indeed request came to extend it and we have actually due to pressure extended the CIZ.
So as things currently stand, it's the framework hours or to really demonstrate categorically
why we should go against the framework hours.
Very quickly Corinne, would you have any further objections if the framework hours were a dear to?
I think if the framework hours were, I sort of feel like they don't want to accept the
framework hours, so you know, it's a difficult one. But obviously if you were going to grant
framework hours then no, I wouldn't have an objection. I mean obviously unfortunately
financial reasons is not a reason to overlook the upholding of the licencing objectives,
That is what I would say.
Thank you, Chair.
We considered the original application and revised submission.
They did not wish to revise the application.
In our opinion, the applicant has not demonstrated that the provision of public nuisance objective
will be adequately promoted.
We are objecting to that.
I
Could
Just it's worth mentioning
Openly that if the committee does decide to go on the application what I would say is that condition 11 would be disproportionate for the one
For the slight extra hour because that's pretty hated. They will be a massive financial impact which you can take into account
I have to say where we were mindful of granting on framework hours we would rewrite condition
11 to your advantage. I think we were all slightly taken aback on what it was.
Would you like to sum up the evening's thing because otherwise we should be here all night
saying the same thing. Our job is to help you as well as the residents. Our job is to
to follow our residents and to help you.
So we're trying to be as collegiate as possible.
Just confirm what was condition 11.
It's the condition about security, industry, authority, staff.
So if the committee grants framework hours,
which is going to be relatively restricted, say, to 11 .30,
I think Sunday to Thursday, then for an extra hour and a half,
having two people on duty for the next three months
Is going to be disproportionate to the extra effect
half an hour of trading rather
My advice to the committee is that they don't impose that
condition
We would really fear we I mean our job to help you and we really have kept raising this and we want to help you
on framework
We would as I said, we would rewrite the rewrite the condition as mr. Melvick has said which will probably be to your advantage
I guess we accept the framework hours on the condition that condition 11 is obviously removed.
Before I finish I have a question. What would in the future demonstrate to you that demonstrate enough to you that you would be able to allow business to work outside framework hours?
So, because obviously I'll be honest, I don't understand and I'm trying to understand,
but I don't know how to demonstrate something that we're not allowed to do.
I think read the policy, read the discussion on the policy and read the consultation exercise.
It explains you why we have come to reach this policy, which is within the law, and why we've been sent here.
I mean I'd have a look at that, is Pataks take some advice to go through the policy
and then if you feel that there was some way you could at some point in the future come
before the committee and say we wish to do something differently but you would have to
demonstrate go through the policy look at it and say we wish to go against this particular
part of it because of.
thank you for coming in these evenings are often never satisfactory as you might think
but if your business continues in the future I can only personally say I wish you well
We now move on to that. Oh, sorry, I will formally say, I will formally, the subcommittee
will deliberate in private. You will be notified the result of our deliberations, which will
be whether it's a majority or a unanimous vote, after which you will relieve a letter
from Ms. Jesman with five working days, which will have an analysis of the meeting. It will
I will tell you what we went through and of course if you chose to appeal or anything
everything we have said tonight is live so this is why we are very careful
we want to do everything in live so make sure everybody can hear what everybody says
and if you feel myself or my colleagues have said anything untoward then you can raise it
thank you for coming
I'm going to ask Ms. Yasmin to go out and see if anybody else has suddenly appeared.
Thank you.
The formal application for new premises licence for Fresco, La Cucina 96, Brick Lane, London, E16RL, pages 139 to 208 in our bundle.
The applicant is Mr. Nurul Islam who is not present this evening.
We have objections from the licencing officer environmental health and from spire.
I'm now going to invite Ms. Triver to introduce the report. Ms. Triver.
Thank you, Chair. Obviously the application made is for 96 Brick Lane.
The application seeks the sale of alcohol and the provision of late night refreshment.
Just for members' point, the applicant has not yet provided evidence that their application
was advertised on the local newspaper as required by the regulations. The case officers emailed
the applicant on a number of occasions, the 2nd of March, the 22nd of April, the 25th
of June and the 14th of July, of which no evidence has been provided to this day as
to whether the application is actually advertised.
Obviously in the circumstances, it may come to light that they have, hence the application
has carried on through the process, but members could make the decision that the application
would be invalid if there's no proof of a newspaper advert as part of this application process.
The sale of alcohol for on -sales hours applied for is Monday to Sunday from 9 .30 to 3 .00 am.
The provision of late night refreshment for indoors only Monday to Sunday until 3 .00 am.
And the opening hours Monday to Sunday from 9 .30 to 3 .00 am.
There is an existing premises licence held by a different operator.
That's detailed on page 164 for members information of which the sale of alcohol on those hours,
on that licence is Monday to Saturday from 12 to 11 .30, Sunday from 12 to 11 and late
night refreshment Monday to Sunday to 3am with the opening hours from 12 to 3. There
There is photos provided of the site plan and the map at pages 176 to 183 and licenced
premises in the vicinity at page 184. The matter has been brought to you as representations
have been made by Environmental Health, the licencing authority, a resident and a resident
association and those are detailed from pages 188 to 199, or 200, sorry. Conditions have
Agreed with the place at page 204 to 207 and their 26 conditions there
Chair that really concludes my presentation. She brought questions in terms of the advert. Yeah
Malek
Thank you, Joe
I'm gonna have to slightly longer on this one because it does obviously raise a legal point about the validity of the application
as miss drivers pointed out and as I said in the report the
requirements to advertise via the Blue Notice and the premises
is clearly being complied with because of course you've got the
representation to the licencing authority from noise and from local residents.
Be that as it may, Section 17 and the regulations do require that an application
is duly made and that includes not just the advert at the premises
but also the advert in the local newspaper.
So the first question is whether there's actually been any substantial compliance
with the requirement to properly advertise, and it's certainly arguable that there hasn't been.
I'm saying it in this way because you and your colleagues will ultimately have to make the decision.
The converse is, well, they've complied with the requirement to display the blue notice,
which has generated representations, and therefore there could be substantial compliance.
If there has been a non -compliance, which there clearly has been, can it or should it be waived in this particular circumstance,
this is ultimately a matter of the committee's discretion, the applicant has been given four opportunities to respond and provide evidence.
It may well be that other people who might have relied on a newspaper advert and would have made representations may have wished to respond
and have been unable to do so as a result.
The other side of the coin is of course that you do nonetheless have representations
and could therefore consider it.
Ultimately it's a question of what the consequences of the non -compliance should be.
You're not depriving anyone of their livelihood.
This is an application that was made, I believe, back in March.
They've already licenced anyway.
If you decide that this application is invalid,
it effectively goes back to officers to chase up and ultimately to make that decision.
The applicant hasn't responded again to any means they're not even here tonight to deal with this also assist you in any way
And if you are to find that in the circumstances of the case given all those opportunities
That your mind you and your colleagues are minded to treat it as invalid then it would be entirely open to you to do so
Thank you much, thank you very much both Korean, thank you very much. Mr. Melnick
My view is and I've gone through the paperwork. The applicant is not here. He's made no attempt to contact us
He's made no attempt to respond on for requests
My view and I'd like I'm going to propose that my two colleagues consider it we'd
In view of that the fact is it has not been properly
advertised that we don't consider it the same thing it goes back to the applicant to
Fulfil his duties to do a proper application and be prepared to come before the meeting do my colleagues agree with me
Thank you
We've agreed on that
If you can please ask members to extend the following application to the 31st of October
2026, control alt and delete 116 Jubilee Street, London E1, 3eb, and wicked fish, Queen's yard,
43 Whitepost Lane, London, E95EN.
I'll assume that are more applications on Wicked Fish
than actually any in 20 years on this term.
So, we'll be pushed back again.
Our members are happy to extend the decision deadline.
Yeah, unfortunately.
Thank you.