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Can I bring in Jonathan at his point?
Yeah, just obviously the committee
are going to want to know a little bit more.
You've obviously read the representations
from both Ms. Cazal for the environmental health
and Ms. Holland for licencing.
So you know what they're saying and why they're objecting.
So do you have anything, any points that you wish to say
to the committee in respect to the matters
that they're dealing with in their representations?
The objection, our neighbour, I think you're talking about that, I think that neighbour,
I think he has personal, he take it personal because the object, we had the water leaking
upstairs and we went there to ask him the water is coming and we want to see the balcony,
why is the water coming and he didn't let us in and after that he take everything personal
and the reason he objected, you know, we have, there is a problem if we get licenced late
night and there will be problems. A lot of people you know coming, going and
making noise. I think the objection he made is not, is baseless and last you
know these years we never had any problem with any neighbours. You can, you
have sent so many letters around this area. I think you just received one or two letters,
but both letters written I think by the same man because the person, the neighbour beside
that, I think flat 55, is a Chinese guy and he never had any problem with us and I think
He wrote the letter on behalf of him as well.
And that's all.
Great. Thank you very much for your representation.
I will now invite the interdepartees to make their representation.
You have up to five minutes each. So Corinne Holland, our licence and officer, over to you.
Thank you, Chair.
My representation is on page 211 to 225.
Obviously my representation made an initial reference to a 4am licence,
but obviously this was amended to 2 o 'clock.
So this would give on Sunday to Thursday two extra hours in the current licence,
and Friday and Saturday would give an extra hour.
hour. My representation shows the history of the premises and the breaches that have
occurred whilst Mr Sahil has been the owner. There are a series of warning letters which
were included as part of my representation. Mr Sahil was aware of the requirement to hold
a premises licence as early as 2020, but came to our attention again following two failed
test purchases in October and November 2024. This shows a clear blatant disregard to the
Licencing Act and the requirement of needing a licence for late night refreshments.
At these test purchases in 2024, the same manager was present at both of these, so the
licencing authority have no faith in the owner or the staff to abide by any additional hours
if granted, they have previously operated out the rear of the premises to continue past
their licencing hours. The resident representations state that the premises already causes a disturbance
and therefore any additional hours are likely to exacerbate this in the nature of extractor
fan noise, delivery bikes, as well as customers, attracting customers in high spirits who have
consumed alcohol late at night. This could lead to additional disturbance to residents as well as lead to antisocial behaviour.
And the licencing authority requests that the application is refused. Thank you, Chair.
Thank you very much. I will now hand over to Nicola Cadidow, sorry, I apologise for my environment to help.
Thank you.
I have considered the variation and I appreciate that the applicant has reduced the hours,
as Corinne has said, till 2am from 4 in the morning.
I'm looking at the prevention of public nuisance and whilst the applicant has reduced the hours,
It's still, as Corinne has said, two hours over on Mondays to Thursday, Friday and Saturday
an hour later, and where it wasn't operating on a Sunday, this is three hours over what
would be framework hours or three and a half hours on a Sunday.
The application, there was insufficient in the operating schedule.
I appreciate that the applicant has now included a condition about signage inside and out,
but the fact that the premises is directly below residential, which you can see in my
representation on page 209, I should have, sorry, my representation is from 206 to 209.
There are residents directly above and I think by allowing or permitting to operate up to
two in the morning I think it can have a significant public nuisance, be significant public nuisance
from people leaving access and egress in the premises, additional footfall with patrons
in high spirits at those late hours.
I do not support the application for Marias Pizza
due to the likely disturbance to residents.
I think we have already heard from Corinne about objections from residents
and the disturbance can be caused.
I ask that this application be refused.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much for that Nicola.
We will now move to questions from members.
I'm going to start with, do you have the bundle in front of you?
Do you have the pack in front of you?
Can we get them a copy?
We'll give it a second and then we'll...
Thank you, Simi.
Can I ask you to turn to page 211?
In this letter, and I believe it has been sent to you,
the chronology of a series of concerns
the Licencing Authority has raised with you,
If you're seeking to expand your hours, change your hours,
one good example is the 12th of the 10th, 2024, on page 212,
which was a failed test purchase.
The pizzas were purchased at 1 .15, which was outside of your trading hours.
I think when you first spoke, you talked about you had no issues,
there was nothing that had come out in previous years.
So I wonder if you can speak a bit more about what's different now than the series of issues.
There's two test, FL test purchases for example.
So I'll give you a chance if you want to talk to this because I know it's been raised previously.
So do you want to say some more on this?
Yeah, sorry.
The first purchase order was made on Saturday night which was supposed to have opened till one o 'clock.
and the gentleman who came to order the food, Mr. Tim, was present on that day.
What happened, we had a customer order over the phone to come to collect the order,
and at the same time somebody came to purchase it.
The shop was open, we were waiting for the customer to come and collect the order.
But on the second occasion, I believe we had to do the shopping or something, what was it?
The second time also I was waiting for Uber driver to come pick up the order.
Basically we accept the order up to one o 'clock, Saturday and Friday and Saturday night.
Some customers, they order around 1 o 'clock and they come and pick up like 120, 110, 115.
At that time, I think, we were waiting for another customer to come pick up their pre -order
and someone come and we serve them.
I accept it was behind the hours.
And the timing that we have applied for the 2am,
but because our next door 131 and also 129 of Salmon Lane,
they do have a licence until 2am.
And Murray's Pizza, because we only have a takeaway,
there's no place people come and sit to eat pizzas or to make some noise or something.
people come and take it away.
The next door and the one after the Indian restaurant,
these two people have a seat and they come and sit.
In case they make a noise.
Unfortunately, we don't have a noise at all.
Probably...
Sorry.
Thank you very much.
I will open it up to members.
Jonathan, if you want to come in.
I think it might be sensible just to follow on from the chair.
The two test purchases are test purchases by the Office of the Authority.
They are not members of the public.
So I think it might be useful if Miss Holland can explain certainly my experience
And this is what I do for the council my experiences quite often that the officers are in the premises
They order not always. Can you tell us exactly what the circumstances of those test purchases were?
Obviously in my summary, I've just put that obviously that they're ordered at that time the officers would be in the in the premises
and they have ordered a pizza after, they'd always order it after they should have ceased
trading and then obviously they're provided with the pizza.
So the order would always be made after the end of their licencing hours and they should
have ceased trading anyway.
And then obviously they wait for the pizza.
With late night refreshments, it's actually the provision of late night refreshments,
So the actual pizza has to be provided before the end of their licencing hours.
So they should be handing out any orders before, say, 1 o 'clock, not taking the last order
at 1 o 'clock.
And that's how it works.
Thank you very much.
It's helpful to clarify.
Do members have questions?
Councillor Locksdale.
Thank you, Chair.
So the chair kind of asked some of the questions I was going to ask.
Just in terms of awareness, I just wanted to ask the applicant,
when you are here today seeking licence or extending the licence hours,
are you aware exactly what you're asking for in terms of timings?
You've heard what the officer said about if you apply for one o 'clock, it means the food has to be given, served before that time.
And you can actually take an order, I don't know, 1230 or 1250, it depends how long a pizza takes usually for yourselves to make.
In terms of awareness, it just kind of seems the lack of awareness that you are experiencing
in terms of the licencing hours.
So if you are here today extending the hours, if these kind of you can see the text, the
test passages and different times that you failed to kind of set before the time.
If you are seeking for two o 'clock, do you understand that it's giving the food before two, not taking food orders at two o 'clock?
To be honest, up to now, I was thinking up to one o 'clock we are allowed to take order, and after one o 'clock we shouldn't take order.
Now I understand it means up to one o 'clock we have to hand over the order we should give.
Even someone ordered before one o 'clock, for example, some people they order quarter to
one.
We take the order.
It takes 10, 15 minutes to make it ready.
and
sometime the customer, you know
In the traffic or something. There is some reason they come late. They call us. We will be there at 5 10 minutes
We wait
Is do you think is not?
The we shouldn't do that, you know for
If someone order quarter to 10 we take the order that it takes 10 15 minutes to make a ready
If the customer gets late, 5 -10 minutes, what we should say at that point to the customer?
Let me just clarify one thing and then I'll bring you in.
Do you understand what was referenced in terms of these two failed test badges were officers who were...
I think I've got to cover, went after the 1 o 'clock had ordered it.
So it wasn't a case of it was just any standard customer or it wasn't somebody ordering it
before one o 'clock and then picking it up or being caught in traffic.
So do you understand what it means by a failed test patch?
I understand, I think she said you're not allowed to hand over the food after one o 'clock.
My understanding, if I'm... Is that right?
I think the point is that what Miss Holland said was that the officers will go in after 1 o 'clock
when you should have ceased trading and usually at least 10 or 15 minutes after you're meant to stop trading
they then place the order which is taken and then 10 or 15 minutes after that or thereabouts
that's when then the order is sold.
And as a matter of law it's not just about the supply of hot food,
it's also if members of the public are allowed into your premises after those hours
and you're holding yourself out as providing that food,
that is also a contravention as well.
And that's what the officers are saying
and that's what the members are trying to clarify with you.
And Kastakta.
Yeah.
So I know you keep saying that you take an order before one or it takes some time, but
the people who come in, they've actually ordered after.
And also, you said that you're not aware, you wasn't aware about the timing, but did
you receive the complaint letters that were sent to you?
Did you understand?
Yes.
The letters that were sent to you previously, for example on the 3rd of February 2020,
Enforcement Visit, it was noted at 1 .30 hours, the shadows were half closed but delivers were seen going out.
And then obviously you had a warning letter given.
So you received a letter, did you understand the letter that you received a complaint from the council that you preach you're still delivering or opening after the licencing hours?
Yes, 100 per cent.
I understand the time went up.
2020, to be honest with you, I wasn't aware
what time our licence was.
So before, because the other shops were open
until 2am, we thought it was till 2am.
So when the gentleman came to purchase on 2020,
he says, your licence expires at 11.
Then on 2020, we applied for extending hours,
which is supposed to be before, it was 11 o 'clock,
so then we changed it to 12 o 'clock
and on Sunday it was 11 o 'clock.
So that was the licence that we have at the moment.
Then after that we didn't do any mistakes,
but unfortunately, yes, as the lady mentioned,
on 2024, a couple of occasions, it does happen.
We take full responsibility of understanding those mistakes.
Do you have a question?
Yeah.
So you both are partners.
How many staff are there at the premises and are they all trained in terms of knowing the information of the licenced hours, which time they can last serve?
So who's at the premises all the time?
How many staff we have? Around eight staff we have.
And are they fully trained about the hours? Are they aware of the licencing hours?
Yeah.
Any other questions for members?
Councillor Mokta.
Thank you, Chair.
How many delivery drivers do you think you'd operate with after midnight and where they will wait?
also are these drivers platform drivers or your own drivers?
Sorry, after 12, after 11 o 'clock we only have one or two drivers in the weekend we have two
drivers which is Saturday and Sunday but during the weekdays we only have one driver after 11
o 'clock we don't have two but they are always they have a car and they always waiting at the
outside the shop.
Can I please?
Thank you.
Are they your own drivers or Uber platform, other platform drivers?
Our own driver is one driver weekdays or two driver weekends after 11 o 'clock, after 10,
11 o 'clock.
But there are Uber driver.
if we get order from over, they're on driver camp.
Our driver is only one or two.
Any other questions from members?
Jonathan, can I?
Yeah, if I can clarify a couple of things, please, Chair.
First of which is the mesh, going out of my head.
So just a quick one to Miss Holland,
there is something else I'm sure I'm going to ask,
hopefully it will come to me.
Can I just cheque?
Obviously your letter on page 220 refers to two test purchases in October, November 2024,
but for some reason the letter didn't go out until October 2025.
I was wondering if you were able to give the committee an explanation for that.
It was obviously when I was doing the representation for this application,
searching on our records I noticed it hadn't gone out so it was sent out as a result of
this application just to complete things.
I appreciate your candour.
And also I think just to be clear in case I'm missing it but I'm certainly not aware
They have not been prosecuted for any offences on the Licence Act previously?
No they haven't, no.
There was the offences in 2020 which I started to do a prosecution but due to a technicality we were advised not to.
And then I sent them a letter which is attached in the representation saying no further action was taken on that.
I have one final question. It picks up on the environmental health point around the residential properties above your establishment.
I take your point during your presentation that the person who has raised the concerns is a person who can't incorporate that.
I can take that further.
Could you just talk more about if we were to extend your hours,
what you're going to be doing, I think to Councillor Mustak's point around,
does your loitering of any drivers or anybody coming in and out
so you can minimise noise for all of the residents in the local area?
The reason we raise hours,
because the business is very quiet during the day,
too many shops, too many dark kitchens around,
and the business is very quiet.
And we, after 12 o 'clock,
12 o 'clock up to one, two o 'clock,
there is a lot of shops, they get close,
and that one, two hours,
we get some orders, which is very good for business.
We always try to keep everything safe. Our driver comes and goes. He doesn't make any noise.
It has cars.
And also people coming in, they don't make any noise.
And we try to keep it safe as much as we can.
Since when we received the complaint from neighbours over a month ago,
What we have done is just eat and deliver and hubris.
So we stopped taking their orders exactly at 12 o 'clock.
We didn't serve them after that because we know
the neighbour complained.
They said they were motorbike -nice or something.
But we stopped taking orders from them.
We only have our own driver, which
is one driver driving a car.
I don't think many are making noise.
But just the only thing is probably
the customer comes and pick up the food and go.
There is nothing else.
I think the point is extending hours
because you think you can do more business
in that period of time.
It makes sense.
I fail to believe you can make any noise.
Have you put up extra posters?
What have you done in anticipation
of attempting to mitigate any extra noise?
By your own admission, you said
we do well when there are more people
who want to take up our business
in that period.
How are you trying to stop them
from making noise?
What are you doing to make sure
We've got one resident here, but at the environmental health point, what have you done in anticipation of this,
or to try and avoid any extra noise?
We have put two posters, one inside the shop and one outside the premises, which is a big one in the window.
It says, please be quiet as the neighbours upstairs and do not make noise after a certain amount of time.
And because we have two exhausts upstairs, so after 11pm we switched off one of them
because we didn't make any except for the one which is a very silent motor
which doesn't make any noise at all.
So that's the only things we have done.
Okay, thank you. Jonathan.
Thank you, Shaf. Just a reminder of the question I wanted to ask.
I didn't catch the, I think it was Mr Shah, his full name when I said it.
Is it Mr Taimur Shah Nasiri?
It is. Okay, thank you.
Thank you very much. We'll now move to concluding remarks.
I'll give the objectors up to one minute each for any concluding remarks you'd like to make.
And then I'll invite the applicant to make a concluding remark up to a minute.
So if I start with environmental health, please.
Thank you. I haven't got much more to really add to my representation.
I think until two in the morning is too late when you have residents in close proximity.
I do have concerns that the applicants understand what the licencing act is, particularly as
they should be operating under the licencing act anyway.
So I have great concerns about the prevention of public nuisance.
It's later hours with residents close by and that's all I have to say.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much. Can I now invite Licence?
Thank you, Chair. I don't really have anything further to add, except obviously that their understanding of when they should cease trading.
I appreciate there may be confusion of an order being taken before, say, one o 'clock in the morning and the customer picking it up late.
but obviously they have twice served officers that have gone in there after 1 o 'clock.
They've taken the order late and that's twice when we've visited.
So how many times are they doing it to the public at the moment?
So I'd have very little faith that they will abide by their licences.
They're not currently, if they're extended. Thank you.
Thank you very much. I'll now invite the applicants to make your closing remarks.
time.
You have up to one minute.
I understand that the mistakes happen a couple of times past.
Sorry about that.
But it will happen again in the future, I promise that.
The extending hour that we have, the two hour that we want to extend, is about 30 % of our
business during the day is probably when we all day from 11 to 11pm.
The 12 hours probably we sell 60%.
but that two hour, which is all other premises
and the shops around the area close,
so that hours is very, very essential for us,
for our business to survive at this amount of time,
because there's too many competition in the area.
So that's why we accept, please, two more hours.
Thank you.
Great, thank you very much for your contributions today.
The subcommittee will be deliberated in private,
and we'll write to you, Democratic Service will write
to you in five working days with our answers.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
Can I welcome everybody joining us online and start with apologies.
We've had a series of tech issues which has meant we started a bit later than the 6 .30 schedule.
Not the most smooth meeting but we'll keep going.
Just going back to rules of procedure, agenda item two, as I skipped to hear the applicant.
Can members please note the rules and procedures on pages 9 to 18 in the Agenda Pack?
Can members also please note and agree the minutes of the lasting subcommittee held on 2nd December 2025 on pages 19 to 26?
Approved? Great, thank you very much.
Simi, would you like to introduce the next application please?
Thank you, Chair. Can I just confirm that we've got Mr Selim, Belter and Dilik Alagoz online?
Hi, yes, we are here.
That's great. So Dilik and Chair members, what will happen is we will be hearing from Dilik and Mr Belter through audio, but we won't be able to visually see them.
I trust that that should be fine.
I think that's completely fine. I know it's being worked on, so apologies for that.
So can I just confirm that applications are being partly heard by the Licence Subcommittee on November 4th 2025
and was adjourned in order to obtain further clarifications regarding the premises plans, in particular the outdoor area.
I understand that the revised plans have now been submitted and are concluded in the agenda pack.
As members present today also sat on the subcommittee at the hearing on 4th November 2025, we are able to resume consideration of this matter from the point at which it was adjourned.
Can I invite the legal officer if he wants to say anything else?
Jonathan?
Yeah, I sent at the beginning of the meeting
while we're still having the technical difficulties,
I sent an email to, I think, Ms. Aligoz and her client
with a brief two -page summary of what they had said
at the last hearing, and then obviously
a summary of these submissions by licence and authority
by environmental health, and then the various issues
that the members had addressed before we even joined.
Can I cheque that that's been received, please?
Yes, we received them.
Excellent, thank you.
And just for the record, Ms. Holland and Ms. Cazale
both have those.
That being said, I don't propose to read it all out
unless people desperately want me to.
But I think, sorry, with the committee
who had obviously dealt with the vast,
not dealt with the vast majority of the issues,
It's quite clear that the real issue that was engaged
was that there was a lack of clarity over the outside area
and the extent of it.
And of course, ownership and what have you.
I think the reality is that most certainly
from the responsible authorities point of view,
there wasn't a massive amount of concern
necessarily about what goes on inside the premises.
It's very much the outside area, particularly closing
that at 2 ,300 hours.
So members will take all of that into account in making their decisions.
So I would suggest, Chair,
that you and your colleagues just simply resume asking questions
of the various parties, as you think fit.
Thank you very much.
We'll now move on to questions.
So, Simi, sorry.
Chair, I can just confirm that there is nobody else joined online
and no other residents have requested to speak.
Thank you, Chair.
That's very helpful. Thank you very much.
We will now move back to questions from either party.
Can I start with applicants, please?
You've submitted a new plan, which we appreciate you for submitting.
Can you confirm that there's now two plans in the pack?
I think it's pages 50 and 51.
Can you just confirm which is the correct and the final one, just so we can then remove
the one that isn't.
Hello, sorry.
So, yeah, I'm checking the plans now.
Actually, one of them is more detailed.
Usually on planning applications
we do not provide such detailed plan
like showing other buildings and distances.
So it should be on page one.
This must be the actual plan in the application.
Can I just confirm you've got the pack in front of you?
So the pack we're all looking at.
So we're looking at page 50 and 51,
which has two of the drawings, the floor plans.
Yes, I provided a detailed plan because you are not sure about the distances between the
flats and the pub.
So that's why we provided this detailed plan.
But in applications usually we only provide the premises plan and maybe the outside seating
area plan.
Chair, I can probably just clarify that page 51 is the licence, the plan of the current
licence and the new plan that was provided is at page 50.
So can I cheque, is it not the other way round?
The one on page 51 is dated the 5th of November 2025 and the other one, well, isn't.
So presumably the one after the application would be the correct one.
It's also a bigger plan.
I think the plan on page 51 was the original plan submitted with the application.
As a result of the hearing last time, when we asked for a better plan,
and to specify the size of the outside area they were talking about,
the plan on page 50 has been submitted, which has measurements on it.
Although I'm not completely sure what measurements they are,
I'm assuming metres, and that's got the little blue measurements in it.
That's the plan that has been submitted since the last meeting.
That's very helpful, thank you for clarifying. Jonathan?
Just very quickly, now that we've clarified that, thank you to Miss Holland and Miss Driver, very grateful.
Can I just cheque in terms of the measurements then, are we talking in, I'm assuming are we talking metres?
Yes.
Thank you, Ms Aligarh.
Do members have questions?
Any questions?
Councillor Lactone, any questions?
In terms of the space outside, what is the actual pub area, including part of the pub,
and what is actually private, like, in terms of outside the premises?
I don't know if the licence officer could explain further.
I do believe all the area outside the pub which is called Corsican Square is private
land.
I don't believe the pub actually have any curtailage themselves.
and round the corner in Devens Road that is Public Highway. So Corsican Square is
privately owned and Devens Road is Public Highway.
Can I just confirm that with the applicant is that correct? Yes that's
correct. So PUP is using the area actually belongs to the new
developments nearby so it's private land.
Okay that's very helpful.
So I'll answer your question, Councillor.
I think just out of fairness to the applicant I will obviously just give advice that the
fact that the area outside doesn't belong to the applicant doesn't prevent you from
licencing it if you think fit to do so.
Right, if there's no further questions, we'll move to...
Could you...
We'll use a normal...
Sorry, it's been a very not normal meeting, but I'll just take advice.
Is it something that can be addressed in your closing submissions,
or is it that you want to challenge what I've just given advice on?
If it's something that Miss Holland wants to challenge my advice,
she is entitled to do so and I invite you to do so.
Could you just clarify?
No, well, it's about the plan that obviously we haven't had.
We haven't discussed because obviously it's only been served
since the last meeting and the measurements.
And obviously looking at the plan there with the it's got nine metres
where it says outside seating area, that rectangle says 9 metres,
that red line goes well beyond the door of the pub.
And then if you look at the supplementary photos that I've submitted and taken,
on page three, you can see that there's a raised area that's like a raised garden bed.
Now that garden bed, looking straight on, on the first picture of the supplementary,
is almost level with that door.
If you're following.
On the first photo of my supplementary, you can just see on the right hand side, on the
left hand side, the raised bed, concrete or raised bed, which is almost level with the
door, the second door of the pub.
And obviously the second photo on that page three shows how wide that is, the width from
the pub to the raised bed.
And then in the plan they've got it that it's nine metres, it goes well beyond that door
up to halfway up to where it says, or beyond like halfway of where it says kitchen, which
which is actually really, would be behind that raised bed
and you'd be basically cutting off the whole of that walkway there
with that plan as it is at the moment.
Jonathan?
Just going to, I mean, obviously it may be sensible to invite Ms Alagoza,
she's got any comment on that, but beyond, apart from that,
the only advice I would simply say is if members think that there's going to be issues there,
whether it's in terms of pedestrian access or whatever,
it's always going to be open to the members to decide to allow a different area and therefore
if the application then is granted to require the submission of a plan that then conforms
with whatever members have granted.
But it may be that Ms Aligoz will explain something different.
Does the applicant want to comment?
Actually this plan, when we checked the plan, so it's only 50 centimetre taking the space,
I mean from that wall. But we can move it to the right -hand side a little bit so we can keep the
ramp totally empty so we can start outside seating area I mean we can make it smaller
to keep the ramp totally open if this is the issue.
So it's not quite the issue but...
Your voice is gone.
Sorry I'm just... at the end of the day what I'm saying to members is of course that outside seating area
it's always open to members to either change the location of it if they wish or indeed to
Reduce the dimensions as they think fit. I mean what was wasn't entirely clear on the last occasion was exactly where it was going to
be or how
Or where it was going to extend to and that back that has now been
clarified
And I think that's what Ms Aligoz is saying, that obviously if need be that can be moved or adjusted as it were.
I think at the end of it, ultimately, that's going to be a matter for you and your colleagues in deliberations.
So can I just cheque, you said you're open to it being moved, do you have an idea of where you could or reducing it, but how much would be acceptable?
So that's the applicant, sorry. Do you have an idea of how much you might be...
Okay, so actually when we are preparing this plan, we are not just saying this is going to be exact outside seating area.
So we can just adjust it if the ramp, of course it should be in use because people are passing from there.
So it's not possible to place tables there anyway, because it's used space.
So we can adjust it like eight metres, for example.
Hello?
Yeah, sorry, we're just looking at the...
Give us a second.
Okay.
I think what you can ultimately do is if you're happy to grant an outside teaching aid but
you're not content with the dimensions, that's something that you and your colleagues can
work out in the private session afterwards and we can clarify that and then as part of
the decision there can be a condition that will explain what those dimensions need to
in order to require the applicant to submit a new plan that conforms with that
and that they wouldn't be able to make use of that area until that happens.
And that's how you deal with the clarity for that.
Great, okay, that's helpful. Any other questions for members?
No, I've got no more questions. We'll move to concluding remarks.
So I'll give the objectors one minute to summarise one minute each.
Over to Leisenson.
Who are the directors?
Thank you, Chair. Obviously we've been given this thing from Jonathan as a summary.
I'm actually unsure slightly what the hours are being applied for because I can't remember whether they reduced them in the last hearing or they didn't.
They did. So I was just assuming that everyone knew.
I'm trying to do that amongst other things.
What I've got down, Monday to Thursday, midday to midnight,
Friday midday to one o 'clock, Sunday midday to twenty to thirty.
That's actually the closing in the cells ceasing thirty minutes prior to that.
Outside closing at eleven o 'clock.
Yes, thank you. That's obviously what they had volunteered
Initially in the air in an email, but I wasn't sure whether that had been confirmed
There was just one other query here that the applicant has agreed to five persons max outside any one time
I wasn't sure whether that was after a certain time or not as one of my concerns
in my representation was that there is a current condition on there saying
About eight persons outside which has caused some problems being a public area
and a bit of a public area for people to stand and sit that aren't patrons of the pub.
So obviously I had asked if that is difficult to enforce that condition.
So if it's going from 8 to 5 that might even be more difficult to enforce.
And maybe a time could be put on that so that a time after, you know,
only so many people outside the pub after a certain time rather than all day.
This plan, this new plan was being served so that it would clear things up.
I'm not quite sure how much it's cleared up because the dimensions don't fit with
the layout of the front with the concrete posts. The ramp I wasn't so
concerned about it was there because obviously there is still room it was the
other end of the near that concrete garden area.
So to then ask them to submit another plan, it seems like they should have done their
work in the first place and submitted a correct plan for the area.
But that said, the licencing authority doesn't oppose to the pub being an outside area, but
obviously the dimensions need to be right to make sure they don't encroach onto Corsican
square which they have done before and also there should be a time on that and
I don't agree with 11 p .m. being the time of an outside area with residents
opposite. Thank you. Thank you. For complete fairness I'll let you go over
and say it's one minute but I'm going to give each of the objector and applicant
so you have two minutes now to conclude just because I appreciate we've done it
in two parts so it's been slightly confusing and so I just want to be
to all parties.
So, second objector, up to two minutes.
Thank you, I shall leave two minutes.
My main concern was not the inside area,
it was the outside area.
I think Corin finished off her,
what I was going to say,
2300 hours is too late when you've got residents
within about 12 metres of the premises.
So, thank you.
Thank you very much.
I will now invite the applicant, you've got up to two minutes to make your concluding remarks.
Okay, thank you.
So there are three very important points that should not be overlooked when considering the use of the pub and the outside area.
The agent of change principle, the clear demand from local people and the existence of a transferable licence with longer hours and permission for live music.
And I think it also has on and off licence.
Under the agent of change principle, it is the responsibility of new developments to
adapt to established venues, not the other way around. It must also be recognised that
a long -established public house will naturally generate normal levels of human conversation
and social gathering noise from its customers. When residential buildings are developed next
to such an existing venue, it cannot reasonably be expected that the pub should later be
restricted or effectively silenced because of that development.
This principle recognised under the Licencing Act and National Planning Guidance protects
longstanding community businesses from unreasonable restrictions caused by later built residential
properties.
In this case, the Widows Sun is a very well established premises.
In fact, there is already a transferable existing licence, as I said, and we reduced hours we
amended agreed during the consultation process as part of mediation.
My client also wishes to use our site area for customers till 11pm.
I think this is very sensible hours for a pub and with a history there.
Moreover, nearby new licenced premises within the same area already allows its customers
to sit outdoors until 11pm.
And those premises are located just under the floods.
I strongly believe that refusing this application would be unfair to a pub that has been operating
since 1848 for nearly 200 years.
So I would like you to think about this agent of change principle.
please take it into account and we just ask for this licence to be granted as we want to, we wish to. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Can I thank you all for your contributions and apologise again for the issues around the tech.
The subcommittee will deliberate in five sessions after the meeting ends and Democratic Services will send out our decision within five working days.
Can I now move to the next item, Simi, if there are any other extensions?
Yes, Chair, I would like two applications for members to extend.
The first application, the Rose Street Club for New Drum Street, London E1, and Amazon
100 Dunbridge Road, London E2.
They can be extended to the 30th of April, 2026.
Agreeing?
Yeah, agreement from the committee.
Great.
Thank you all for your contributions.
The meeting has now closed.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.