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Mr Joel West - 0:00:13
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Good evening, everybody. May I welcome you to the meeting of the licencing subcommittee held today Tuesday the 14th of October
at 2025 in the committee room at the Tower Hamlets Town Hall, 160 Whitechapel Road, London
E1. My name is Peter Golds. I am the chair of the licencing committee and I will be conducting
the meeting today. The meeting is held in person because legally, of course, those making
the decisions have to be present to see everybody in the room, but other participants can be
And we may hear them if necessary the meeting is filmed for the council's website for public viewing
So there is no need for anybody to attempt to take any pictures by their mobile phone
right
Importantly on the housekeeping may I say I'm I run these meetings and indeed it's the boroughs
Commitment we run these meeting is as collegiate of fashion as possible. We're not the House of Commons
We're not in a council meeting. This is a shabdew to see meeting
My job is to make everybody feel welcome at home and to get the right decision. However to do that
You will only be invited to speak when you've signalled and I invite you to speak
Anybody attempting to speak and cut across anybody else will be told in on certain terms not to do so
Also, if you speak when you're called to speak, may I ask you to press the button in front
of you on or off?
If you look at it, when I press mine, it's red.
But if I switch...
Thank you for showing it off.
Mr Joel West - 0:02:20
Because of the recording system, it has to be switched off at the end of each contribution.
If there are two people trying to contribute, nothing goes through the recording system.
So if you haven't switched off, you'll get me saying, please switch off, please switch off, please switch off.
So we don't need to do that.
I've introduced myself, as I said, my name is Peter Golds.
I'd now like the officers of the cow my colleagues my council members to introduce themselves and the officers of the council
Starting with Councillor Soltano
Good evening. I'm consular because he time I from the front in what?
Cllr Rebaka Sultana - 0:02:57
Cllr Sabina Akhtar - 0:03:00
I'm Jonathan Elnick. I'm the legal advisor the subcommittee into my right is my colleague miss Samra
Cllr Maium Talukdar - 0:03:11
Mr Joel West - 0:03:14
For the record, officers here are here to advise us, both legally and administratively,
when we adjourn to reach the decision, that will be made by elected councillors alone,
but you will receive a decision notice which will tell you whether the decision is unanimous
or we have reached the decision by vote. But, as I have mentioned, it is our decision alone.
Now I now moved the formality
Record there are no apologies for absence and the quorum of the meeting is three if we didn't have three people then we couldn't hold
The meeting so there are no apologies
Formerly I must ask do members have any decorations of disclosable pecuniary interest I have none
Cllr Sabina Akhtar - 0:04:01
Cllr Sabina Akhtar - 0:04:03
Mr Joel West - 0:04:05
Therefore that will be recorded in the minutes. Can I invite everybody to note the rules of
procedure on pages 9 to 18 which I have outlined very, very briefly.
So we will now turn to item 3 .1 on our agenda this evening which is the application for
New premises licence for best kebab by locant of eighty two fifty three brick lane London e1 six BU
It is on pages 19 to 88 in our bundle
when
officers
Objectors and applicants are speaking
Could you refer if you're being specific in the agenda to what page so that members can go directly to it because I want members
to hear hear and absorb everything that's being said not flicking through the
documents trying to find something
Miss Yasmin, will you tell us who's a formerly in attendance Thank You chair and on behalf of the applicants
Cllr Maium Talukdar - 0:05:04
We have mr. Graham Hopkins and mr. Khan top rack president meeting as for the objectives
we have Corinne Holland Nicola kadzo David Cunningham and Chris Lloyd and
After the application has been presented the applicant will be invited to speak and be given a total of five minutes to make their
Representation the objectors will also receive five minutes each to make their representations
I'll let each speaker know when they have one minute remaining. Please note that the subcommittee have read the agenda pack in advance. Thank you
Mr Joel West - 0:05:34
Thanks very much. Yes, man. And I would reiterate we've all had the agenda and I spent time this afternoon going through it
Reading it. So and I know my colleagues have done so
I'd now like to invite mr. Moshen Ali to introduce the report
Cllr Abu Chowdhury - 0:05:52
application is in front of you because you've got representation from environment protection,
licencing and residence and the premises falls within the cumulative impact zone. The applicant
has described the premises as a takeaway only offering late night refreshment. Going through
the report in appendix 1 pages 27 to 45, the application is in front of you because you've
you'll see a copy of the application, including the plan.
The hours that have been applied for are 11 p .m. to 2 a .m.
the following day, both for late -hour freshmen
and opening hours.
Maps of the premises is in Appendix 2, page 47.
Photographs of the premises is in Appendix 3,
that's pages 49 to 50.
Details of our nearest licenced venue is in Appendix 4,
pages 52 to 57.
The representations are under all of the licence and objectives.
The appendix 5 contains the representation of environmental protection, which is page
59.
The licencing representation is in appendix 6, which is pages 61 to 64.
Resident association is in appendix 7, pages 66 to 68.
Alan Williams, appendix 8, page 70.
David Cunningham, appendix 9, page 72.
In response to the representations that the applicant has responded, this is in appendix 10, pages 74 to 76.
There's also further information in appendix 11.
8 .0 of the report, there are eight conditions that have been offered.
There are no conditions agreed with any of the responsible authorities.
And finally, you've got additional information in supplemental agenda 2, which is on pages 3 to 7.
That's the summary of the report unless members have any further questions. Thank you
Mr Joel West - 0:07:49
Thank you very much mr. Alley and colleagues do you have any questions your honey questions to put to mr. Alley I have none
Mr Joel West - 0:07:58
Jasmine the councillors have no questions to put to mr. Alley. I now invite the applicant to
Make his representation and that will be mr. Hopkins
By process of elimination will be the gentleman I'm looking at now and you have five minutes. Mr. Hopkins
Mr. Toprak the applicant for the new licences to my left
This business chair is being converted from the past operation into best kebabs by Likanta
The new layout will be as per the layout submitted with the plan
Sorry for the application and my client is one of the two partners. I can tell members. He is a local resident himself
He lives upstairs over the the business and has done for some time
We he's aware that obviously the premises are in the CIA what that stands for issues arising and of the conditions required
After we were asked by the principal agents to represent mr. Top rack
I went through the application and we've proposed the additional list of conditions that you will see
address the CIA area with a statement and put forward a dispersal policy.
We submit to you that those conditions and the awareness of the CIA will prevent any
increase in negative cumulative impact while at the same time promoting the conditions.
We've got new proposed conditions CCTV and CINABUC etc.
I'm not going to go through all of them that you can see those yourself
We have offered to put a telephone number on the window of the shop. So if residents have any concerns they confirm the premises directly
The representation from environment protection for example, the officer mentioned a noise management report that is in one of the supplementaries I think it's in
Supporting evidence
and
And our dispersal policy is also being added on so they're all there for you to see another measure. Mr
Top rack is taken is that during the licence dairies all deliveries will be by
electric bikes or
Bicycles, there'll be no motor vehicles allowed at the premises
He's having the ducting taken care of and with the noise management plan and the other conditions
He's doing everything he can to address the issues that have been raised by the objectives about noise.
It's crucial to note, Chair, the police have not made a representation, even though this is in the CIA,
the police have not made any objection to this application.
They have seen the additional conditions and the dispersal policy,
and I would submit that given that you have to pay particular attention to what the police say on these applications
under provincial crime or disorder, the fact that they haven't made a representation
Ezekiel is important to be fair in fairness to our clients
Another measure he's announced today or said he's going to take is that whereas originally the previous premises had dining
They are not going to have dining. It will be takeaway customers takeaways only and
Home deliveries by uber deliverance, etc
And he can do and he's doing an arrangement with them to make sure it's only cycles or electric cycles during the licence period
Obviously, we can't put conditions on outside of 11 to 5. This is a late -night refreshment licence only I
Think he's taken every reasonable step we did reach out to all the objectives. I'm grateful
Miss Holland did contact me and say that because the CIA she couldn't withdraw a representation
Mr. Elias who was then the EPT officer didn't respond
We have accepted his conditions and we do accept these two conditions the noise management plans. I've told you is already in
But they will accept that the other condition as well that no noise should be transmitted through the building. We understand that
and it won't be I
Think it's fair to say that the list of conditions that we have proposed
we believe will address issues like anti -social behaviour and
Also reduce the risk of noise generated by the premises or by their customers
They are going to put somebody on the door during the outside area will be monitored by CCTV and staff going out and having a look
But they're also going to have somebody on the door basically closing time to make sure anybody hanging around outside is asked to move away
Last orders in the premises will be taken 15 minutes before closing time
So they're covering everything they can to get the customers in and out not keep them in the area
Anybody outside that's hanging around or eating their food outside will be politely asked to move away
And that's the sort of arrangement we've got
You have one minute remaining. Oh, that's fine. Thank you
Having those additional conditions. I believe will allow them to operate without causing further disturbance for the residents or
anti -social behaviour, etc
So I'll ask you to bear in mind he's a resident himself and has been there for some time
So he is aware of the issues and aware of the problems arising. Thank you
Mr Joel West - 0:13:10
Thank you very much, Mr Hopkins. Before we proceed to the other interested parties, Mr
Melnick wanted to make a small legal point, so it's on record. Thank you very much, Mr
Melnick. Yes, Chair, thank you. Just in relation to
the issue of planning permission, which had been raised by Mr Lloyd on behalf of SPIRE,
and I think Mr Cunningham had also referred to it, there has been some confusion over
We have made inquiries of the planning teams that no one's misled the original
Planning permission and specifically condition 3 which has been referred to related only to the use of the first floor not the ground floor
So planning have confirmed when a subsequent planning application was put in in
2020 which is the one at appendix 11 in the pack that superseded that condition
So from a planning perspective, there is no limitation on the use of the ground floor. So I think before
Everyone addresses that it's probably useful just to make that clear obviously licencing and planning are two separate regimes
So one doesn't find the other but it's important that everyone appreciates that and so avoids people talking about it
When it's not really going to be relevant anymore. Okay. Thank you, sir
Thank you very much. Mr. Mel Nick first is miss Holland
Mr Joel West - 0:14:19
Thank you
that granting the licence will undermine the licencing objectives of crime and disorder and
public nuisance. This application doesn't fall within the possible exemptions to the community
of impact area as set out in our licencing policy as the hours are beyond framework hours and
the late night refreshment is for walk -in customers as well rather than just delivery only.
Obviously last year the community impact policy was kept in place as the concentration of
licenced premises was felt it was still having a community impact on the area. Although this
application doesn't include the sale of alcohol, it is extremely likely to attract people who
have been drinking excessively throughout the evening with a 2am licence application.
Customers will go into the premises and purchase the takeaway and eat it in the street or whilst
walking away from the premises. This can lead to people loitering in the street, delay in
leaving the area which in itself can cause a disturbance to local residents. It is noted
that the applicant has submitted additional conditions in appendix 10 but
these have been updated which are in the supplementary agenda 2 on pages 3 to 5
whilst the applicant states there will be no dine -in after 11 p .m. not sure
whether that current thing meant at all now but obviously we're only relating to
After 11 p .m. With this application
in the dispersal policy on page 7 of the supplementary agenda says that one of the
things volunteered is
Only two smokers will be allowed outside any one time if there's no customers allowed to dine in
At that time there would be no requirement to make a provision for smokers
and
and the only time that customers would be inside is whilst they waited for their order
to be prepared, which would be a small amount of time.
As it's a busy public street, having this as a condition would be extremely difficult
to enforce as people outside may not be customers.
And if they've got their food, they should be leaving the vicinity anyway, so I just
wanted to highlight that as an issue that if it was put on the licence, it might be
a problem enforcing that. Other than notices displayed to ask customers to be
quiet, there's limited action that the premises can take to prevent customers
being noisy as they make their way to or from the premises. There is already two
premises opposite, one which is open at 2 a .m. on Thursday to Saturday and the
other one which does have delivery only between 11 30 p .m. and 2 a .m. Friday to
Saturday. On the balance of probability, an additional premises in this small area is
likely to lead to additional noise or antisocial behaviour in the area. The onus is on the
applicant to show there are exceptional circumstances to the licence being granted in order to rebut
the presumption of refusal and to show that the licence is granted, it won't have a negative
impact on the already saturated area if the applicant is unable to do this the
licence application should be rejected Thank You chair thank you very much
Mr Joel West - 0:18:14
it's now miss can show
thank you firstly I'm doing this representation for mr. Elias who
No longer works here. Hence why you may not have you wouldn't have received a response from him. I've considered the application
Well, everyone's considered a patient and the prevention of public nuisance
with particular
concern about the cause of disturbance in the vicinity
When the premises is in the cumulative impact zone of Brick Lane
and
They're applying for hours that are well beyond the council's framework hours of between two hours Friday Saturday Sunday
Three and a half hours and an extra three hours Monday to where you're going
Council you're going out
With the application there was no noise management plan, which is what?
Ibram had said in his
representation that there was no money and noise management plan to show how they would minimise the impact on
local residents in the area
Bear in mind the premise going said the premises is in the CI said and there are a lot of residents in the vicinity
There was great concerns about public nuisance from people in high spirits to and from the premises
especially later at night
It was asked that if the committee in mind it's a grant this application that they applicant provides a noise management plan
I've seen the noise management plan
I don't think and the limit to people outside the premises after 11, but if people aren't
As Corinne said, if people aren't standing, eating in the premises,
they shouldn't be standing outside smoking.
Ibrahim also asked if the application was granted,
that the condition that no noise generated from the premises
or associated plant or equipment shall emanate from the premises
nor vibration be transited through the structure,
which gives rise to public nuisance.
I don't see that anywhere in the in the information that I have
but what I do see is on
Under the conditions for the prevention of public nuisance condition 2 and the supplementary agenda
It said no delivers of goods to premises or remove the rubbish to take place between
2300 hours and 0500 hours in the morning, which if the
application is granted. I would say that 2 ,300 hours is very late in the CIS to be for deliveries
or collections and 500 in the morning. I would ask that deliveries were between, weren't
between 10 a .m. and 7 a .m. in the morning.
That's all I have to say except for a major concern
that public nuisance with the premises
applying for a licence till 2 a .m. seven days a week.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Mr Joel West - 0:22:06
Now we have Mr. Lloyd on behalf of Spire.
Good evening, Chair, thank you.
My name is Christopher Lloyd.
I'm the vice -chair of spire which is a residence group which represents six residents associations who live in spittle fields in banglatel
I've been a vice chair for six years
And I did there's a resident as well in the spittle fields
Spire have read the application which is for a seven seven nights a week to 2 a .m
And we would object to that application
Just by the sheer nature of a being to a 2 a .m. Seven nights a week and the impact that would have on the local
residents. We have residents here who live actually on Brick Lane and we
agreed with the points raised by the officers today here as well when they
said it by very nature of a takeaway business until 2 a .m. that would attract
people from all surrounding areas to loiter outside the buildings. We note
some of the conditions that the applicant has said but again in practise
on Spitalfields on certainly on Brick Lane take away take away premises and
Of that nature just by definition will attract people to loiter outside the building especially to 2 a .m. In the mornings
That will actually give no respite to local residents who live there if it's seven days a week
Also, we noticed the the applicant saying about deliveries only again by definition people on delivery bikes tend to congregate
outside of those takeaway places
waiting for orders to come through that will lead to people talking and
loitering outside the premises just by the sheer nature that that's what the premises is doing.
The premises is also within the LASB hotspot, the Brick Lane hotspot, and it's located closely to
hostels. Again, any late night activity will just always attract people to loiter outside of those
promises and we have saw some of the conditions that the applicant has made
but we don't see that that changes basically the nature in any way of what
the premises would actually be doing seven days a week or mitigate any of the
noise and nuisance that the residents would undoubtedly be subjected to.
Mr Joel West - 0:24:29
Thank you. Thank you very much Mr. Lloyd. I now invite Mr. Cunningham to address
be thank you can't give you an example of something I've seen in the street
which is a car pulls up outside a takeaway this hum right outside my flat
and about six guys got out it's to wear into the takeaway to order food for them
started kicking a ball around and there's loud music playing from the car
And this is about 1 .45 in the morning.
Now, I can't see in any of the statements from the applicant anything that's practically
going to prevent something like that.
And it's, you know, almost impossible for licencing to enforce.
And that's the sort of thing that's going on in that immediate area.
It's important to recognise that takeaways have a disproportionate effect on the street
as opposed to a restaurant.
With takeaway, there's people coming in and out and hanging around all the time.
And, well, the sort of problems have been outlined by licencing and environmental protection.
And I don't see practical measures in the applicants' proposals to prevent this kind
of problem.
I mean, there's – there are measures to, you know, mitigate, to try and persuade people
to behave.
But there's nothing that I see that can be effectively enforced.
And the late submission of a lot of this, the CIZ statement, noise management plan,
and so on, the proposed conditions from the applicant, makes me question how well this
has been thought out.
It gives the appearance of compliance, but it seems to be completely lacking in practical
and enforceable measures. Thank you. Thank you very much Mr. Cunningham. We now turn
Mr Joel West - 0:26:57
to questions from members to both the applicant and the objectors. I shall exercise my prerogative
to put a question to Mr. Hopkins first and an observation. The question is really quite
simply not simple this is within the CIA as recently as last year there was a
substantial consultation exercise it went through the licencing committee it
was then approved with full debate at council at which we had considerable
contributions from local people and representatives of all time you you
really haven't demonstrated in this why the committee should grant an application here
which goes against the CIA. We've got a list of potential conditions, but they're conditions
that exist anyhow. This is an antisocial behaviour hotspot. Can, Mr. Hopkins, can you give us
Idea why your client feels we should grant this to two o 'clock in the morning, which goes
substantially against the CIA which has been as recently approved by the council as recently as last year
Well chair from up from my perspective only my position was I was asked after the application was submitted to to the representation I
strongly believe that with
the commitment that Mr. Todbrick has to the area.
He's only personal knowledge of that area
and the conditions we propose that this venue will operate
without causing the nuisance that everybody's saying.
He's open to speaking to people.
He's proposed a list of rust conditions.
Yes, they may be seen on other premises,
but we feel they'll address his concerns.
He's taken the measure done.
You find that some of the things have changed
because until late this afternoon,
I thought he was doing dining they decided recently to stop the dining
Dining in service when the new venue opens to further address the issue of people loitering in the area
They will I mean they've got to do a daily risk assessment. For example
If they identify the need for si a then they will have si a on the premises
Steps like that. We think that they can do it
I don't want to keep over this but
Mr Joel West - 0:29:35
even then
Why should the count with all the problems we have with the fact that this is one of London's major?
anti -social behaviour hotspots you can look at the minutes of a licencing meeting where we have
Reports by the police that suggest the brick lane shorty area
but weekends generates more antisocial behaviour than Leicester Square, Covent Garden and Piccadilly
Circus put together. And you may think I make an extreme statement but please look at the
reports where we have this. We have a premises here where you're actually saying to us you
want to go well beyond the normal hours. You're doing take away which will involve lots of
people standing outside those premises with bikes delivering, presumably with their phones
going beep, beep, beep, beep, all the funny noises you get while they're planning where
to go, in an area which is absolutely saturated with similar properties and is notorious for
antisocial behaviour. I feel sorry for your, in one respect, for your client, but we had
The question we must answer is why should we break the CIA and
I'm sorry to say other than the fact you said you've got conditions and your client lives in the area
there is no overwhelming reason to break the CIA and
I'm very quickly I'm gonna call counsellors again
If you just like to say very quick in a few words why we should break the CIA rule
to address the point you made about people hanging around he's already put
in amongst the conditions that drivers drivers have to wait inside and he's
negotiating that we deliver the other companies so they won't be on the
streets there won't be any motor vehicles involved after 11 o 'clock we're
not talking about the rest of the day because this here is not about the rest
It's only the licence period but during that period it will be bicycles and electric bikes only no cars riders inside
Yeah, we will ask the customer wait inside while their food is cooking and if any late like being more than
15 minutes we asked them they're waiting like quietly respect area and also riders as well
so I live in in brick lane and I know kind of that problems, but
That's why I know this we can
Provide better service for the community and then neighbours
Mr Joel West - 0:32:35
By anybody who knows brick lane and much of town Hamlet's it would be absolutely miraculous, but that's my view
I'm now going to turn to questions from my colleagues and then Councillor Sultana has been has been waving a hand considerably
So you have the first dip?
Yeah, sorry
Cllr Rebaka Sultana - 0:32:58
You have raised concern about the
late night refreshment hours contributing to antisocial behaviour and drug use. Can
you give us an idea of how much SB currently takes place in the local area during those
hours?
Excuse me, just before council, there's four objectives, are you asking all of them or
just one of them?
Anyone can answer, please. Whoever, you know, they're happy to give me the answer. Thank you.
I'm not sure I can provide any figures as to antisocial behaviour.
Obviously, Mr Cunningham, you live the closest. I don't know whether you witness more antisocial behaviour.
I would say there's a fair amount of antisocial behaviour, but I don't have figures.
There are historical figures, but I think the chairman probably has a better grasp of
this than any of us.
Just like the chair had said, there was a consultation at the end of last year about
continuing with the CIA and there's overwhelming support for that because it was recognised
by the police and the council that there is a significant problem, especially in those
to areas of Brick Lane.
Councillor Saldana.
Question to applicant, please.
Mr Joel West - 0:34:32
Cllr Rebaka Sultana - 0:34:33
I understand that this premises is located within a CIA zone, which is specifically designed
to manage the concentration of licenced premises.
However, your application doesn't reference the CIA or address the required considerations.
Could you explain why this wasn't mentioned in your submission?
Thank you.
I'm not quite sure, Chair, that I understand.
The position we had was that the original application, when I looked at it, we felt was not robust enough or strong enough.
We have submitted a whole list of new conditions, which you referred to yourself.
The noise policy, the dispersal policy, etc.
So I do think it has changed
That must be a matter for your determination of course
Councillor Dean
Mr Joel West - 0:35:29
Cllr Sabina Akhtar - 0:35:31
My question to the licence officer. Did you do any consultation?
If you did and how many so far you get any?
objection anything like this
So there's a statutory consultation that the adverts go in the premises
I think our policy says we mail shot around 100 metres anyway
40 metres my mistake. Thank you. Mr. Ali so that that's the consult a that's them
That's all that's actually required just the notices and the premises that's been complied with you have objections
Numbers are irrelevant beyond that
We have three
Mr Joel West - 0:36:08
I
Mr Joel West - 0:36:17
Suppose I've been mentioned I I would like to say I mean I take a huge interest in what goes on the borough and
Officers know I drive people mad. I actually go and visit the venues and sites
and
Residents see me regularly. I suspect that mr. Lloyd amongst others to see me float
around looking at things. I'm sorry I haven't seen your client but the concern
of me is the issue of Brick Lane and it is a real ASB hotspot and I think I
don't think anybody here is going to would have the remotest objection if you
come forward on the framework hours. You might have wished to add an extra half an
hour of the weekend but this is two o 'clock in the morning at the point
when it is most difficult and frankly
Counsellor didn't this very close to me on the Isle of Dogs and you can sort of stand on some of the pavements at night
Like this is these people whiz past us on
The on the green on the line bikes. I don't for a moment believe I
Shouldn't say that. I'm sorry. Mr. Melnick and I can be ruled out on this. There is a problem with the delivery people
congregating outside premises talking amongst themselves
on their phone discussing the orders.
It really, really is difficult.
And in one of the most densely populated areas of London,
adding this at two o 'clock in the morning,
I come back to my original question.
You haven't given us a reason, a real reason,
why we should go against the CIA
other than a list of conditions,
which are the conditions we would normally put on anyhow.
Sorry to sound so grad grindish,
Mr Joel West - 0:38:05
But I've got a responsibility to the rest of us
I've just spoken to mr. Top rack. He'll reduce the requested hours to midnight Sunday to Thursday and one o 'clock Friday Saturday
Mr Joel West - 0:38:27
We would have to we would have to consider that when we adjourn but that's a start mr. Melnick
It was just simply saying relation to that
I would want the committee to hear from each of the objectives to see if that's
What their position is in relation to that. It may not change anything. It may well do
Just maybe start mr. Lloyd coming up to
Start mr. Lloyd and then move out to miss Holland
Thank you, Jeff
Yes
Mr Joel West - 0:38:54
Change the suggestion by the applicant we wouldn't change our view on on that going forward
I think that if you're a resident and you live in the area and you hear people outside and you're working up
potentially seven nights a week up until 1 a .m.
at weekends then that has a detrimental effect on your life and your sleep and your health
and as I think everyone has agreed here, it's an ASB hotspot
and if that's to one o 'clock then people are there till 1 .30 in the morning and
we wouldn't change our opinion on objecting to the application.
Thank you.
Now I'll go along with what Chris has just said.
I mean, there are framework hours for a reason, and I don't see any rebuttal in the proposals
put forward by the applicant.
I would be happy if it's framework hours if they could show they can operate without causing
nuisance maybe six months down the line they can consider putting in a variation but I
would ask for framework hours. Thank you. Yes, I mean it's still outside of the framework
I was which are in our licencing policy. So my representation would still stand
Mr Joel West - 0:40:32
Okay, um, I think we've I think we've gone beyond any question now
Everybody said their point and I think we've got a real bit
Picture we now move to the concluding remarks. I will give people a minute each starting with the objectors and
and we love brevity, so if you don't need your minute, thank you.
Yes, as stated, it is in this community of impact area,
it is outside the framework hours, it is an antisocial behaviour hotspot,
there are other prebacies nearby that operate late hours,
and it will just become a hub of people standing outside
Causing antisocial behaviour and a nuisance to residents. Thank you
Thank you, thank you very much
Mr Joel West - 0:41:25
I mean, I can't don't think I can say any more than what Corinne has already said it's in the C I said as well
Mr. Cunningham
Mr Joel West - 0:41:35
Likewise I just agree with the previous two speakers
Fantastic, Mr. Lloyd.
Thank you, Jay.
Again, I think we need to say that the spy objects to it and it's within the CIA and
we think that would just, inevitably, have a detrimental effect on local residents that
live in those areas.
Thank you.
Mr Joel West - 0:42:02
Mr. Hobbs, just don't feel you're being ganged up on, so please give us what you wish to
say.
Thank you, Chair.
I'll keep it very short.
Mr. Top rack will go for framework hours
Application is reduced
Very quickly framework hours inspire
Mr Joel West - 0:42:23
Framework hours, mr. Cunningham officers
We are required to adjourn, but thank you very much.
Mr Joel West - 0:42:41
May I say how much I appreciate how collegiate this has been.
We will be formally deliberating and you will within five working days get the letter from
Ms. Yesman.
But can I thank everybody?
Can I thank Mr. Hopkins, Mr. Topright, and of course Mr. Cunningham and Mr. Lloyd for
coming along this evening.
We appreciate all your contributions.
Thank you, you will get a formal electronic and thank you officers as well.
.
Mr Joel West - 0:44:11
Mr. Cunningham and you're staying are you?
Where are you going?
Mr. Lloyd you are alone and abandoned
Mr Joel West - 0:44:22
Mr Joel West - 0:44:32
Item 3 .2 on our agenda is an application for a new premises licence for new hot pot
43 commercial street London e16 BD which is pages 89 to 134 in our bundle
May I miss you has been those in attendance and thank you chair for this application
Cllr Maium Talukdar - 0:44:49
The applicant is not present at the meeting and we have the object the remaining object to mr. Christopher Lloyd present at the meeting
We do also have Nicola
Katsu from environmental health who I believe has withdrawn but is present at the meeting if members have any questions
After the application has been presented the applicant obviously is not here
So we'll not have an opportunity to speak but the objector will have five minutes to make their representation
I'll let mr. Lloyd know when you have one minute remaining and please note the subcommittee have read the agenda pack in advance. Thank you
Mr Joel West - 0:45:22
Mr. Ali the floor is yours. Thank you, Jim
Cllr Abu Chowdhury - 0:45:26
Next application. It's for new pot pot pot 43 commercial Street, London e1 6bd
This application is in front of you it because it's in the CRZ and you've got representation from environmental protection and residents
Association as you've heard
protection have agreed with that can I think that's been circulated to SIMI in terms of
what these conditions are. A copy of the application is in Appendix 1, which is pages 96 to 114.
The hours applied for licenced activities are the server by retail of alcohol owned
sounds only, recorded music, and these are for Monday to Saturday 12 to 11pm and Sunday
12 to 10 30 p .m and opening hours are the same photographs of the vicinity
venue is in appendix 2 pages 116 to 117 site plan is in appendix 3 page 119
maps are in appendix 4 pages 1 2 1 2 1 2 2
and details of the nearest licenced venues are in appendix 5 pages 1 2 4 2
1 2 8 the original environmental protection
Representation is in Appendix 6, pages 130 to 131.
Spire representation is in Appendix 7, pages 133 to 134.
Representations are under the Crime and Disorder and Public Nuisance Licencing Objectives.
6 .1 of the report shows you the conditions that have been offered in the operating schedule.
Remaining conditions offered are enhanced in line with the police agreement.
These are listed 7 .1.
There are one there are ten conditions agreed with the police
Some point two of the report shows you the conditions agreed with licence authority. These are free conditions
And that is the summary of the report unless members have any further questions. Thank you
Mr Joel West - 0:47:19
Mr. Annie, thank you for presenting the report before I ask if there any questions to you. Mr. Melnick
Thank you chair. Just a couple of points firstly
Technically the I think the representation from the noise service was any withdrawn today
So I'd be very grateful if miss cadzell
Which just simply confirm before this committee that it had her
Objection has been withdrawn because technically can only withdraw at the hearings if you wouldn't mind. That's the first point, please
Thank you very much Nicola and the other point I think bearing in mind the
applicant is not here and is not represented I think it only right to
remind the committee of its power to adjourn under the hearing regulations
where it thinks it's necessary in order to consider the representations I think
from what Miss Yasmin said earlier on the notices had been sent out and I
think there's a friend here for the applicant who perhaps I just hadn't
realised that he needed to be here so that may well just simply be an oversight
a misunderstanding on his part if you're minded to do that I'd obviously suggest
that you seek mr. Lloyd's views because he may or may not wish to object but you
are entitled to adjourn it if you wish to do so if you think it's necessary
Mr Joel West - 0:48:36
thank you Jeff I have a view but that is concealed within me mr. Lloyd thank you
Yes, I suppose it's a win so we draw our objection
Well the
The sewing that the withdraw to in German yes
Members some you know
You and everybody who knows me I I use this expression
Mr Joel West - 0:49:13
Probably more often. I shouldn't is the words natural justice. I think we have everything to the applicant yet. It clearly doesn't
Is not here. He's been given the opportunity. He may not realise
The implications of not being here. Mr. Lloyd has said he would withdraw his objection pending
But he would be if we were to move if we will move an adjournment
They would not be withdrawing formally.
In fact, Mr Lloyd is happy to appear on a future occasion.
I therefore wish to propose we adjourn this to a future occasion if colleagues are happy,
because of course you both will be required to sit at that meeting,
because under the law you must hear it because it's been introduced.
Correct, Mr Melnick?
Technically not. The committee could just simply adjourn it and it will start again at the next hearing.
It won't really matter that there's nothing of substance really beyond the report and that's certainly administratively easier easier
Mr Joel West - 0:50:14
If we can't if we can't assemble all three we've all we've heard is mr. Mr. Alley, but
Obviously, I will do my best to be there and if Councillor Sultana and Councillor O 'Dinke can come along we would do their best
Are you happy that we adjourn this meeting we adjourn this item for a future occasion?
Mr Joel West - 0:50:32
Yes, we've agreed to adjourn this item for a future occasion
We now turn to item 3 .3 on our agenda
Which is the application for a new premises licence for Silver Raven Tower Bridge keys and Catherine's Way London
E1w 1ld
pages 1 3 5 2 1 8 8 and
in my grad grind ish
Manner I wish to congratulate the applicant that every time you've referred to st. Catherine's you spell it correctly
Mr. Melnick sort of problem
Mr Joel West - 0:51:14
Mr Joel West - 0:51:17
Could we chat amongst ourselves, mr. Melnick some mr. Melnick's technology has collapsed
Mr Joel West - 0:51:34
Mr. Baldick's technology has uncollapsed.
So I now invite Ms. Yesmin to introduce those in attendance.
Thank you, chair.
Cllr Maium Talukdar - 0:51:46
For this application we have the applicants present, Mr. Paddy Wirr and Mr. Chris Kangas.
And as for the objectors, they are not present
Unfortunately after the application has been presented the applicant will be invited to speak and give a total of five minutes to make a summarization
Of the application and I will let them know when they have one minute remaining
Please note the subcommittee have read the agenda packet advance. Thank you, sir
Mr Joel West - 0:52:12
Thank you very much. Mr. Alley once again the floor is yours
Thank you
Cllr Abu Chowdhury - 0:52:18
for a new premises licence application for Silver Raven Tower Bridge Key St Catherine's Way London E1W1LD.
The applicant is Tower Cruise Limited and the licence is sold by retail of alcohol on sales
and regulated entertainment by way of live music and recording music. The application is in front
of you because you have a resident objection. Going through the report a copy of the application
Plan are in Appendix 1, pages 142 to 163. The hours applied for are Monday to Sunday,
8am to 11pm for a set of alcohol, and same for live music, unrecorded music,
and opening hours are until midnight. Maps of the vicinity are in Appendix 2,
pages 165. Photographs are in Appendix 3, pages 167 to 170. Details of the nearest licenced
venue are in Appendix 4, pages 172 to 173. The representations are under all of the licence
and objectives. Appendix 5 contains the representation of Penelope
Coburn and David Miller. That's pages 175 to 176.
And also you've got conditions, there are various conditions, some have been duplicated.
These are shown in 7 .0 of the report.
There are 13 conditions consistent with operating schedule.
Some are agreed.
So all these are listed in Appendix 6, pages 178 to 187, conditions agreed with police,
noise, including modifications with the residents group.
There was also a supplemental agenda.
These conditions are repeated in pages 9 to 13.
8 .0 shows you the conditions again agreed with the responsible authorities
That's the summary of the report unless members have any further questions. Thank you
Mr Joel West - 0:54:14
Thank you very much. Mr. Ali. Does anybody have any questions? Mr. Ali?
Mr Joel West - 0:54:26
I'm sorry, mr. Well welcome as you heard me say to
Mr. Ryan to everybody else the floor is yours
Thank you chair, members of the committee. This is a family -run business, have been
involved in working on the Thames since 1866 as a family. More recently the
family has done very well out of having a fleet of boats that are on the river.
This new acquisition is the first electric boat to be on the river. It's an
eight million pounds investment, first electric boat of this type on the river.
They have a number of other boats that offer these facilities that have premises licences,
one of those granted by this authority for the Silver Sockeye.
They have never had any issues with any of their other premises licences and the conditions attached to them.
So it would be the same operating policies and controls as exist on the other boats,
the same full training, the same food and beverage operator who assists them,
the same staff training of all of their staff, it's a premium product.
Most importantly, this is going to be a significant investment in the Tower of London tour,
so it's going to be something that's going to be created as part of the way that the boat operates.
And as you would expect from a respectful operator, we've been working with the police,
the Environmental Health Officer and the residents groups, and as has been told to you by your
committee clerk, we've amended the original offer of conditions which mirrored the previous
licences that have been granted to make sure that your responsible authorities and the
residents group are happy that we will promote the licencing objectives.
So as has been said to you, Appendix 6 is the offered conditions that have been agreed
with all of the responsible authorities and the residents' groups.
When we received the opposition from Penny Cobham, we reached out to her to explain everything
that had been undertaken.
We sent her the schedule of conditions and there was an email conversation, very similar
to what I've just said to you, explaining the history of the company, the fact that
we've never had any issues, and the fact that the operating policies are such, and the conditions
that are being offered, and the fact that the boat will be in operation away from where
they live, that we would have anticipated that they would have withdrawn their objection,
and we invited further conversations with them, and unfortunately they said that the
Objection would be maintained but they wouldn't be coming to the hearing this evening, which is rather disappointing when we've worked very hard with the responsible authorities and the other residents groups to make sure that they are happy with the application.
The issue in relation to the conditions attached to the licence is that this is significantly
more conditioned than the other licences that they have by this borough and other boroughs,
but they're happy to offer those conditions because it fits with their operating policies
anyway, so we're conditioning what they already do.
So, Chair, I commend the application to you. It's one that's robust, it's been well mitigated
with the responsible authorities and the residence groups and it's just a shame that we couldn't
get to a position where the one remaining objector couldn't have seen that in all of
those circumstances not attending today we could have dealt with this without troubling
the committee.
Mr Joel West - 0:58:14
Very quickly, and I'm going to ask you what may sound a slightly bizarre question, but
This is being broadcast public
Mr. Melnick will probably tell me off. You've had a clean bill of health from the police all the responsible authorities
Licencing environmental health most importantly you've got a string of conditions here
agreed with the Friends of st. Catherine's dock an organisation I know extremely well and
They have agreed a series of conditions with you. I
I think thank you very much.
Mr Joel West - 0:58:57
Councillors, questions if any?
Mr Joel West - 0:59:07
My colleagues are struck by absolute silence.
Mr Joel West - 0:59:14
Say we like brevity at these meetings
and when you hear, actually when you hear a storey
there is no point in elaborating it. Thank you very much. Mr. Alway, do you wish to say
anything after that?
Only very briefly, Chair, obviously if the representation had been removed we wouldn't
have been here and the licence would have been already granted. I am asked to ask you
if there is any way that you could perhaps give us a decision this evening rather than
five days' time, if at all possible, because we've got a demand to use the licence rather
Mr Joel West - 0:59:51
quickly. Mr. Wirr, what we do is we deliberate. I'm happy, I'm sure my
colleagues will say is that when we get to the point of deliberation, if we
consider you first, if you sit outside, we can consider you first, would you be, we
can either bring you in and read it in or would you be prepared a decision yes
or no, which Mr. Mzieszmyn will write you, so you know we are, but you're very
happy to sit outside. I couldn't ask for any more and I'm very grateful, thank you.
Mr Joel West - 1:00:21
Malmick just yes, you can obviously do that chair. It's not unusual to sometimes announce the decision after deliberations
And then the full written reasons will follow as soon as possible thereafter
It's actually slightly more convenient for me because I'm then not bound by the five -day time
They were otherwise and I'm on holiday next week. So the less I actually do that would be very helpful fine
Mr Joel West - 1:00:44
As I said, mr. Were we my colleagues are happy and officers happy
We will take your application first because you're here sitting it so if you don't mind sitting outside
Twiddling your thumbs or going to the blind beggar and surviving the experience you can go there and come back
Mr Joel West - 1:01:05
We now move we now move to the final item on the agenda which is temporary events notice
Mr Joel West - 1:01:30
Okay temporary event notice on the for Shoreditch tunnel Braithwaite Street London E1.
We have PC online
Jamie can you hear us?
Oh it's Stanley, Stanley. We got the wrong way round.
Is it Jamie Stanley or Stanley Jamie? I thought it was Jamie. Hi, can you hear me?
You are here. We can hear you. Oh good. Perfect. Okay thanks. Do you want to switch your camera
Cllr Maium Talukdar - 1:02:18
Mr Joel West - 1:02:19
on as well or is that difficult? Oh that may be difficult. Okay.
Mr Joel West - 1:02:23
I'm not sure if I'm hearing anything.
Cllr Maium Talukdar - 1:02:33
Chair, just to confirm that the premises user is not present at the meeting, we have reached
out to them on a couple of occasions and have had no response, I believe, nor has licencing
authority either.
Okay.
Tim, do you wish to do the report?
Mr Joel West - 1:02:50
You can do it as quickly as possible, because we're familiar with this.
Thank you, Chair.
Cllr Abu Chowdhury - 1:02:54
This application is for a temporary mess.
No, it is for shortage time.
tunnel, breakage street E1. The applicant is Simran Power -Panesar. The
objections are from the environmental protection and the police.
Appendix 1, pages 10 to 16 gives you the application form. The times and the dates is for the 18th
of October from 4pm to 10pm. Appendix 2, pages 18 to 20 shows you the map.
There is no existing licence for the premises. Environmental protection objection is in Appendix
Three pages 22 to 23. The police objection is in appendix 4 pages 25. That's the summary of the report. Have you any further questions? Thank you
Mr Joel West - 1:03:35
Thank you very much. Is there in order Nicola can't show
Thank you chair
Guest Speaker - 1:03:46
I'm objecting to the
the
tens application because I feel that there's going to be a severe impact of public nuisance by allowing the
application to take place I think my my
representation is on page
2022 23 where there are pictures of an
Unlicensed event that took place in there. I think in August 14th of August
The applicant was copied into my objection, but I've received nothing from them because
in their application they didn't provide a noise management plan with the music levels.
This is basically an outdoor event.
So if we were looking at any active event, we'd ask that the music levels were controlled,
they had an acoustician, that the bass levels were kept low.
They're applying within, although the application is not too late, the problem we have is how
how they would manage it, how they would ensure that music from the DJ event did not cause
a public nuisance.
And we've had, the 10 hasn't showed anything and they haven't come back to us with any
idea of how they were going to manage the event.
You can see from the pictures a lot of people there, they're looking at about 150 people
I understand, but how, there's nothing to say how they would manage that, how, whether
they would want to close the roads because I think there was some talk of
them closing the roads and I have spoken to the highways department the network
management who say that they haven't applied to them for a road closure
they'd have to apply nine weeks prior to the event and there's all sorts of
event management plans site management plan that they would be required to
actually even review closing the road at all or whether be it the pavement or the
road itself I think I just don't think that there that by allowing the event to
go ahead they would comply with the licencing objectives in a crime and
disorder public nuisance there's nothing about how they were going to control the
event if it went ahead and whether what if hundreds more people turned up how
Were they going to manage that I think there's a lot greater likelihood of public nuisance by allowing this tend to go ahead and I asked
that this
application is refused
And it I'm sorry and it's also in the community of impact zone as well. So that's
Mr Joel West - 1:06:42
Thank You Nicola may I invite on PC Stanley
Jamie you've gone
Mr Joel West - 1:06:52
Hi Chair, can you hear me now? Perfect. Thank you for your time, Chair and the committee.
So police object to the temporary event notice based on the licencing objectives of preventing
crime and disorder and ensuring public safety. Whilst the event is described as a public
art activation, the inclusion of amplified music and potential for large unregulated
of gatherings raises some serious concerns. The location has a recent history of unlicensed music
events, at least two in the past few months that police were aware of, where crowds of over 200
people have been seen, open drug use, including nitrous oxide and cannabis, and widespread alcohol
consumption. All of that has led to antisocial behaviour, noise nuisance, and public safety risks.
To be clear, we're not suggesting the applicant was involved in these previous UMEs.
out of the location itself, it's proven to be very problematic.
And we believe that the event as it's proposed currently could
just exacerbate any existing issues.
Um, they have proposed, uh, to hire one SIA officer, uh, but
we believe it's insufficient to manage the risks associated with
potentially large free entry event, if you will. Um, there's
no mention of, uh, search policies. Um, and while the applicant
has applied to sell alcohol, I believe, on the application itself. They've confirmed
later on that they would be giving away alcohol for free via a sponsorship with the Jubal brand
beer. That combined with the likelihood of attendees bringing their own alcohol
significantly increases any risk of alcohol related crime and disorder.
On the matter of public safety, the applicant hasn't provided a site plan,
nor have they secured any necessary tobacco,
what Nicola was saying,
secured any necessary highways permission
to use the land itself.
They've also confirmed they can intend
on keeping the pedestrian access open,
which raises some concerns around crowd control
and safe movement,
especially if there's barriers and cordons in place.
So just to conclude,
the police respectfully request that this 10's refused
in the interest of upholding the licencing objectives.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
We've
Mr Joel West - 1:09:18
The applicant is not here. I have one sim one question to ask to everybody
This applicant hasn't actually applied to the authority to close the road
or indeed presumably
Presumably pcs stanley the metropolitan police to seek permission to close the road. Is that correct?
So if I can, Chair, let's see, I did make some inquiries with the highways team at the local authority who confirmed that they would need to seek permission to use that land.
And at the time of submitting my representations, they hadn't got that permission.
Guest Speaker - 1:10:00
Yes, I have a copy of the highways list of things that she would require, including event
management plans, site plan, et cetera, and if they require to close the footpath or the
carriage way, they need a minimum of nine weeks in advance of the event to actually
And they would have to they'd have to make a payment
Send out a residence letter etc. I think we've got the picture. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very questions colleagues
Mr Joel West - 1:10:37
No questions the objectives, thank you
Cllr Rebaka Sultana - 1:10:49
Mr Joel West - 1:10:55
Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you officers. Thank you PC Stanley. We will now adjourn to reach our decision. Thank you
Thank you
you
Mr Joel West - 1:11:20
Formerly is
Application for a new premises licence for silver raven talbridge keys and catherine's way in underneath 11ld
The committee have considered the application and it was a unanimous decision to grant the application
You will receive in writing with five working days
the confirmation of that and any points that we wish to made maybe thank you for your
Consultation and your work with residents and as long as you can accept it verbally you can go ahead with your event on Saturday presumably
Mr Joel West - 1:12:01
Of course the letter will contain the agreed condition
Mr Joel West - 1:12:04
Mr Joel West - 1:12:10
Yeah, I am informed by our lawyers you can go ahead on Saturday subject to my verbal and if anybody says anything come and hit
me on the head
Can I just thank you very much for giving us the decision this evening? It's really helpful for us. So, thank you
Very kindly to ask in the way you did our job is to cooperate with people
Mr Joel West - 1:12:29
Mr Joel West - 1:12:40
I'm now going to publicly announce the decision of the temporary event notice application
shortage tunnel Braithwaite Street London e1
Which was
Which was received and considered the council and the members have considered it listen to the
application listen to the objections from the app from the responsible authorities will note that the applicant did not appear this evening so we
Were unable to question the applicant about the application
the decision was a unanimous refusal which will be communicated to the applicant tomorrow and
The responsible authorities and it will be confirmed in right the objections which are quite extensive will be confirmed in writing
By mr. Melnick, so we've agreed that thank you very much
You
Miss yes, many extensions
Mr Joel West - 1:14:01
Thank you chair. Can I please ask the chair members to agree the extensions for the following applications German German?
Donna kebab 207 Myland Road, London e1
Smoky boys one three three watch Paul Road, London e1 and Mario's pizza one three three someone Lane London e14 7pg
If they can please be extended to 31st of December 2025
Yep, what was that last one?
Mario's pizza one three three some money
It's okay
That's okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for all that we now did a break quickly on the first one