Licensing Sub Committee - Thursday 7 August 2025, 11:00am - Tower Hamlets Council webcasts

Licensing Sub Committee
Thursday, 7th August 2025 at 11:00am 

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Good morning, everybody. I'm sorry we're a few minutes late, but we are checking technology
and we are live because obviously we wish this, anybody who wishes to see this meeting
has the right to do so on the webcam. Welcome to this meeting. My name is Councillor Peter
Golds and I chair the licencing subcommittee and I'll be chairing this meeting of the licencing
committee. It's being held in person and committee members and key participants are present in
in the meeting. I don't believe anybody is joining us remotely. The meeting will be filmed
for the Council's website for public viewing, you have the right to see it, which is part
of openness and democracy. May I urge anybody who is contributing, only speak at my direction,
which means wave and I'll call you, and speak clearly into the microphones to ensure the
contributions can be recorded. Switch your microphone off when you want on when you want
to speak and off when you finish because if there are more than one microphone it doesn't
appear on the webcam or you have to go back. I've introduced myself now for a week for
members and officers to introduce themselves starting over there.
Washington licencing, thank you.
Simi Yasmin, Democratic Services
Jonathan Melnick, Legal Services
Councillor Sabina Acta, I'm from Stepney Greenwood and I'm also one of the members today for this committee
Councillor Mina Ali, Bowie, Sword
Matthew Morgan, oh sorry, sorry
As the membership of the committee is three members, and if there weren't three members here, we wouldn't be a committee, therefore there are no apologies.
Do any members, and this is very important, have any declarations of disposable, pecuniary interest? I have none.
None. This is in my ward.
May I urge everybody to note the rules of procedure on seven to sixteen of the agenda
We wish to conduct this meeting as collegiate as possible
So as I say I will look around and if we watch my attention wave and I will call you please do not interrupt
It does not help at all
Item three point one of the agenda today, which is now the formality is the application for a temporary event notice
for FABWIC Unit 4A, Queen's Yard, 43 White Post Lane, London E95EN.
It's on pages 17 to 56.
And then a further application for a temporary event notice for FABWIC Unit 4A, Queen's Yard, 43 White Post Lane,
London E95EN on the 10th of 11th of August, which is on the supplementary agenda.
Can I ask Ms. Yasmin to announce those who are attending the meeting?
Thank you, Chair.
For this application we have Nicola Caslow, the applicant, representing Environmental
Health, and we have Mr. Matthew Morgan, who is the premises user.
Once the application has been presented, the applicant will be invited to speak and will
be given a total of five minutes to make their representation.
The premises user will also be given five minutes to make their representation.
I'll let each speaker know when you have one minute remaining.
Please note the subcommittee have read the agenda packet advance. Thank you chair
Thank you. Thank you very much. Mr. Yes, ma 'am
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Would now invite the council officer. Mr. Motion alley to present the reports before us
Thank you chair in front of you you should have the gender and also a supplemental agenda
Oops, sorry about that.
So you've got two tens for different dates.
The...
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Try that one.
Testing, testing, okay.
So, going through the application form.
photographs and then DELTrade and secure the
picture film.
So for the first one, a copy of the application form is in appendix.
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Do members have any questions, Mr. Alley?
Okay.
Ms. Drally, I think we're okay for that.
Now, can I invite the applicant to make representation?
You will have five minutes, Ms. Cadshaw.
Hello.
I have looked at both the tens, both for the...
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Thank you very much, Mr. Kadshan.
I'm now going to invite Mr. Morgan to address this.
You've got five minutes and it's completely up to you.
Please, we're trying to be as informal as possible, so please try and feel relaxed.
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Thank you very much, Mr Morgan, and thank you very much for your presentation.
Mr Melnick may want to say something, but he may want to say what I was going to ask
or what I asked Mr Melnick to say.
Yes, simply in relation to planning permission, obviously one aspect.
Thank you.
Not the question I want to say. Nicola.
I think it's a very relevant point.
Mr Morgan, you encapsulated something quite interesting because you said you would consider restricting the hours.
Now the premises does have a licence of which we cannot deal with anything.
You said you would consider restricting it by one hour. That would mean closing at one o 'clock in the morning.
If you're trying to send people to Colour Factory, would you consider possibly midnight?
Which then fits in with the existing regime?
Sorry, I think I wasn't very clear. We wouldn't be sending people to Colour Factory because they're separate parties.
The reason that we would be closing earlier is so that there's not a huge slew of people leaving and causing public nuisance at the same time.
So they're separate parties with separate tickets and they wouldn't be able to access Colour Factory after hours.
So the plan would be for us to slowly end the music around 12 and for people to be out by 1am.
So that the flow of people would be spread out between the parties.
Because there's various Black Pride parties going on all over London.
And we want to be considerate basically of the fact that we're not ending at exactly the same time.
And there's going to be a huge crush of people.
I think you said something very interesting there that you would sort of cease music at midnight and then sort of wind everything down to go.
So are you actually saying that you'll turn the music off at midnight?
We'd rather not but I'd be happy to if it's a case of whether the tens gets approved or not.
we're really keen to get this going. Would you be something that I'd like to...
Because we're slightly caught in a bit of a on a temporary event notice of certain legalities,
but what you said is terribly interesting. Could I possibly adjourn for a couple of minutes
and have some words with my colleagues and Mr Melny, I will leave or everybody else goes,
We just pop out in the corridor from them stay here. We just go into corridor from
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We've asked Mr Melnick for some advice which he will now share with the meeting.
I'll kick off before I hand over to my colleague, because at least we've got a couple of minutes.
At least one of them, in one respect, knows Kerrier extremely well.
My concern is the issue of two o 'clock in the morning.
You know that this is an area that is densely populated.
You know there have been problems with Fabwick.
Is the possibility of a great deal of loud noise going on to two o 'clock in the morning,
which will cause huge, huge problems.
But you said earlier on that you would be thinking of ceasing music at midnight
and then using that period of gradually getting, encouraging people to leave.
Could you elaborate on that?
One thing I wanted to actually ask away.
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So moving from bopping to background.
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Not that I understand all these things, but I think I've got termite colleagues' questions.
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Is that it, Amena?
Thank you.
No more questions, please.
Mr Morgan, I don't think any of you have any questions.
could fail to be impressed by how you presented the case today. You come here in difficult circumstances
with a report that clearly shows that this authority has problems with the venue, but you have sought to persuade
colleagues that you are a different entity to the venue. This is a very difficult decision for us
because we have basically yes or no.
We have had real problems with Fabwick,
but the problem we could say today that we have listened
to you, we've been impressed by what you've said,
and we will take this on face value.
Would you be prepared to give my colleagues an absolute
undertaking of what we have heard is on face value,
that it will be recorded in the minutes, it will be recorded in the decision
that you have said that you will effectively wind down at midnight.
As I say, I put it bopping to background and I know exactly what you mean with venues.
Once upon a time in my life I was young and I know you get throbbing music
and at the end of the evening everybody's like that and they're quite happy
to suggest something to sort of put back.
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